Should Rattler be our starter in 2025? (1 Viewer)

[No2DC]

Let the new coach decide

 

[Det. Brees]

Ok so here is my take.
!. Carr is not our answer.
2. we have one more year with him. use that to build the team.
3 . Rattler isn't the answer either. he throws high to often and behind the receivers to often.
4. Rattler knows all the right words to say but look at him after a play that flops. he doesn't hold himself accountable you can see on his face he is more upset at his fellow players. it really bothers me when i see this.
5. rattlers college carrier is not good why should we believe his pro carrier would be.

 

[Stalwart385]

No, I haven't seen enough to dedicate a season to him.

 

[NatureBoy]

Depends on your desires and expecatations.

Carr if you want to win about 50% of your games, be a pretender and not get a high draft position in 2026.

Rattler if you don't care if you win and just want to get him experience.

 

[Elvis]

Carr has had 10 win season, 12 win seasons, and gone to the playoffs.

I'll take that.

He's never even won his own division, didn't play in the Raiders first playoff game and lost the other one in the wildcard round. He's played one more playoff game than Jameis.

So you can have that. I'm hoping for something better.

 

[Goatman Saint]

The ability to get rid of Carr isn’t there. He stays and starts. But I would hope that Rattler is a strong number 2 who is actively developed. He’s still a one read QB. But, most of the time there was never another guy open, so with improved WR talent I’d say give him the opportunity to grow

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

I’m not at all high on him and would have no problem with him starting next season. It’s going to be a rough season either way, might as well see what he can do with a few pieces around him. We all know that Carr isn’t the long term answer or future at the position.

 

[DSnfla]

I was going to make a thread but I guess I ask this question here. Any theory as to why Rattler plays like Jekyll and Hyde? He gives us moments of potential. Then he starts to plays like we need to draft a QB in round one.

That's been his MO his whole career. He'll play great then make bad decisions and trust his arm too much. His footwork needs work

 

[DSnfla]

Once again, he's been in the league for a decade. There isn't anything that Carr is going to do over the next 4 years that he hasn't done in the last 10. There isn't a sudden epiphany that Carr is going to have at 35 years old and at this point in his career.

And I don't say that thinking that he's a terrible QB. He's not. He's just very limited and his limitations aren't a great pair with the other players that we currently have.

You are saying that like he was not part of 10 and 12 win teams and that was with a horrible D. If the 1st 2 games were not a peek into what our offense can be and what DC can be then I don't know what I can tell you

 

[Fiyo]

I think we’ll ride with Carr as long it rolls … But let’s wait until late preseason anyway to even think about it

 

[Elvis]

You are saying that like he was not part of 10 and 12 win teams and that was with a horrible D. If the 1st 2 games were not a peek into what our offense can be and what DC can be then I don't know what I can tell you

Guys like Jimmy Garappolo, Carson Palmer, Geno Smith, Ryan Tannehill, and Blake Bortles have won 10 games in a season too. None of those guys would be worth $40-$50 if their primes were today either. And to be clear, I do not think Carr is a worse QB than Rattler as it stands today. I just know that Carr isn't the future and if we're looking toward the future we have to look elsewhere while clearing cap and seeing if Rattler can develop. I also do not care about the results of the 2025 season. I care about getting back to feeling like we have a shot when the season starts every year. That is going to take some big changes and having a really expensive mediocre QB doesn't fit in with the changes that I think are needed. A second year guy with a little bit of upside making rookie minimum fits much better.

 

[DSnfla]

Guys like Jimmy Garappolo, Carson Palmer, Geno Smith, Ryan Tannehill, and Blake Bortles have won 10 games in a season too. None of those guys would be worth $40-$50 if their primes were today either. And to be clear, I do not think Carr is a worse QB than Rattler as it stands today. I just know that Carr isn't the future and if we're looking toward the future we have to look elsewhere while clearing cap and seeing if Rattler can develop. I also do not care about the results of the 2025 season. I care about getting back to feeling like we have a shot when the season starts every year. That is going to take some big changes and having a really expensive mediocre QB doesn't fit in with the changes that I think are needed. A second year guy with a little bit of upside making rookie minimum fits much better.

When you just have a throw a way season you also throw away the tail end of the careers of AK , DD Mathieu Cam. All have something left in the tank , maybe not at their prime level but especially AK has at least 2 more yrs at a near elite level.

If we cut DC we will have no $ to upgrade anywhere and we would probably have to restructure almost every contract to be cap compliant

You're looking at 2 yrs min of just sucking

Jimmy G also went to a SB

 

[Nolan]

Yep. Not even close.

It's not a Superbowl roster. If we were truly ready to compete, yeah of course you go with Carr.

But we're not remotely close to competing. So, you take your medicine on Carr's contract, and you trot Rattler out next year. Either one of two things will happen:

He'll have developed nicely and plays well, putting us in a nice spot to build around a good QB on a rookie contract. Or, he didn't develop nicely, and we're bad; positioning us for a top pick and we can stack assets until we do find our QB in either 2026 or 2027.

 

[Elvis]

When you just have a throw a way season you also throw away the tail end of the careers of AK , DD Mathieu Cam. All have something left in the tank , maybe not at their prime level but especially AK has at least 2 more yrs at a near elite level.

If we cut DC we will have no $ to upgrade anywhere and we would probably have to restructure almost every contract to be cap compliant

You're looking at 2 yrs min of just sucking

Jimmy G also went to a SB

You just listed 3 guys in decline and at the ends of their careers. They may not be on the team regardless of the QB and for sure wouldn't if their contracts weren't so restrictive for our current cap situation. We are looking at 2 years of sucking anyway.

 

[Elvis]

Yep. Not even close.

It's not a Superbowl roster. If we were truly ready to compete, yeah of course you go with Carr.

But we're not remotely close to competing. So, you take your medicine on Carr's contract, and you trot Rattler out next year. Either one of two things will happen:

He'll have developed nicely and plays well, putting us in a nice spot to build around a good QB on a rookie contract. Or, he didn't develop nicely, and we're bad; positioning us for a top pick and we can stack assets until we do find our QB in either 2026 or 2027.

There are definitely two different trains of though on this and no real middle ground. I am with the train you just described above and the other train wants to win as many games per year as possible, even if that means only 5 wins are possible again.