Should Rattler be our starter in 2025? (merged) (10 Viewers)

[football]

Does he give you a chance to win? What has his career proven? This team should be rebuilding anyway. We are too old and devoid of talent due to abysmal salary cap management by a GM who has zero accountability.

Tell me right now do any reasonable option going forward gives us the best chance. None of the backup has given us any hope. Rattler fans needs to be patient but also realistic. Rebuilding does not need to be the worst team in the league.

 

[SaintStephen1]

Would anybody be interested in trading our first rounder to Vikings for JJ McCarthy to sit and learn behind Carr for a year then take the reins?

 

[Icon]

No, Carr when Healthy was one of the top qbs this year and that is with passing to bad group of WRs and TE.

Rattler got shutout by GB and did mediocre against the Raiders. Rattler ceiling is that of being a capable backup.

To be clear, Rattler hasn't been put in the best situation either, obviously.......so I personally will hold off on speculation of his ceiling. Plus he's a rookie.....and not every rookie immediately plays like Jayden Daniels.

Carr is obviously just more NFL ready. I do wish he'd quit throwing bombs late in games when only needing like 5 or 6 yards to get a first down, though.

 

[Judge_Smails]

Would anybody be interested in trading our first rounder to Vikings for JJ McCarthy to sit and learn behind Carr for a year then take the reins?

I would not be willing to do so. He was maybe a stretch where drafted and is coming off a knee injury/surgery.

He’s a depreciated asset until proven otherwise.

I’d rather trade back for extra picks and see if Detroit would trade Hendon Hooker for a 4th if your goal is to grab a previously injured young QB with potential, but no real NFL experience.

 

[SaintStephen1]

I would not be willing to do so. He was maybe a stretch where drafted and is coming off a knee injury/surgery.

He’s a depreciated asset until proven otherwise.

I’d rather trade back for extra picks and see if Detroit would trade Hendon Hooker for a 4th if your goal is to grab a previously injured young QB with potential, but no real NFL experience.

Very well thought out. I would trade back too numerous times. Not thinking Hooker a franchise QB.

 

[44slayer]

Consider it our Dollar General version of Aaron Rodgers/Jordan Love.

Yeah, no. I dont think QBs really work on that Target vs Dollar General model.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

No.

Rattler so far looks like nothing more then a career backup. He's slow to recognize the defense, he's slow in anticipating receivers becoming open and he's oblivious to disguises. I can't recall a time when these issues were fixed in a QB at the NFL level to become a quality QB1. Otherwise QB's like Nick Foles and Winston would be hall of famers.

 

[St. Widge]

No.

Rattler so far looks like nothing more then a career backup. He's slow to recognize the defense, he's slow in anticipating receivers becoming open and he's oblivious to disguises. I can't recall a time when these issues were fixed in a QB at the NFL level to become a quality QB1. Otherwise QB's like Nick Foles and Winston would be hall of famers.

Did you not see Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield play as rookies or for that matter most other good QBs? Rattler may or may not develop into a good QB but what you just described is playing like a rookie QB. Lots of guys have had those issues and turned out to be good to great QBs.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Did you not see Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield play as rookies or for that matter most other good QBs? Rattler may or may not develop into a good QB but what you just described is playing like a rookie QB. Lots of guys have had those issues and turned out to be good to great QBs.

Sam Darnold is playing for Kevin O'Connell and still hasn't overcome those issues either. The strategy of Kevin O'Connell is schemed in a way that the QB doesn't have to. Its why Kirk Cousins looked great there and no longer does the moment he left. Rattler would look 10x better if he were there as well.

Mayfield I'm not sure of. You may be right there. I don't watch the Bucs much at all. But I do notice in the few games I watch, Mayfield pulls down the ball and starts running the moment he doesn't like the defensive look post-snap. Im not sure what triggers that. But it could just be his answer. Which would still make you correct.

 

[Da freak]

for the one hundred millionth time, because of the salary cap, we can NOT move on from Carr this season.

Let's stop already.

I stopped trying to reason with people. Both here and in real life.

 

[srcampbell]

Yeah Atlanta caught a lot of heat for doing that but it's evident that they have their future QB. Has Rattler shown enough to be the future? I don't know but personally I can say that he has potential.

How is it so evident after two up and down games that ATL has their future QB? Rattler has flashed as much as Penix. The difference is surrounding talent. The Falcons are a better team than us at basically every position.

 

[Saint Greg]

I'm not a "cap guru" but wouldn't restructuring Carr's contract mean keeping him another year (or having more dead money after he is gone)?

If so I just say pay him to be the starter next year and then let him walk/retire.

Stop kicking the can, eat the bad contracts.

It would push 30 mil back to next year and his void years. But it’s much easier to move on next year than this year. Right now it’s 28mil hit for next year. I think it goes up to 35 after the restructure.

It’s easy to say just eat it now but we have to come up with another 30 mil in cuts/restructures (63 mil total) somewhere else to do that. Then we have to spend more money signing another QB.

As of right now we are 63 mil over the cap this year and 52 under for next year. That will change but we’re going to be in much better shape next year.

Also there’s a good chance our next coach has a higher opinion of Carr than people on this message board.

 

[rlemieux]

Ratler is a guy probably with a veteran. Be that Carr, Dalton or someone in that mold. It’s going to be hard to draft Ward or Sanders so I think that’s what you’ll probably get along with some other rookie pick or free agent to fill the room.

 

[Saint Greg]

Did you not see Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield play as rookies or for that matter most other good QBs? Rattler may or may not develop into a good QB but what you just described is playing like a rookie QB. Lots of guys have had those issues and turned out to be good to great QBs.

You’re naming guys with first round pedigree. Now name all of the ones drafted in the 5th round or later over the past decade not named Purdy

 

[jasonsw]

Sam Darnold is playing for Kevin O'Connell and still hasn't overcome those issues either. The strategy of Kevin O'Connell is schemed in a way that the QB doesn't have to. Its why Kirk Cousins looked great there and no longer does the moment he left. Rattler would look 10x better if he were there as well.

Mayfield I'm not sure of. You may be right there. I don't watch the Bucs much at all. But I do notice in the few games I watch, Mayfield pulls down the ball and starts running the moment he doesn't like the defensive look post-snap. Im not sure what triggers that. But it could just be his answer. Which would still make you correct.

Like everything there are exceptions. But yiu are right 95 percent of the time if the QB doesn't understand the game, they never will.