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Sun Wukong said:
A lot of critics have been pretty rough on this season and I've seen the "It's too saccharine now" sentiment popping up a lot from others. Yall seem to still be pretty effusive in your praise of it but I can't say that matches what I'm seeing elsewhere. May be best to quit before general sentiment goes any further south.
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Good thing I stopped paying attention to critics after most said "the Wall" was a terrible movie and the music was even worse......they can go F themselves.....

This is a great show, the character development is so good it's off the charts, I've never seen anything like it, the writing, the music.....and they nailed the soccer aspect as well.....
 
Saint by the Bay said:
I love the show, but I also understand the criticism. Some stuff seemed to meander a bit and some things seemed to just happen. I feel like it could have used one more season to really make all the pieces work. It also seems to be trying to be inclusive vs. letting it flow naturally at times. While that doesn't bother me it can be jarring at times.

Still, it's hilarious, the characters are great, they do a good job of making you care about every single one of them, and there isn't one character journey I don't like, even Rupert.
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Thank you. Yes, inclusive aka woke.. whatever you want to call it. It doesn’t seem natural. It is trying too hard to send a message versus letting it progress naturally. Like it should in real life.

The real saving grace i guess is Roy’s character is sort of the grumpy man who has values and is who he is. I keep watching because now i get what they are going for. Showing a utopia environment if everyone behaved like they should in society after a few hiccups. Still don’t like the forced “messages” liked saved by the bell. It’s like the viewer is being dumbed down as never knowing people in a mixed relationship, a person of color, gay coworker, or misogynist male in our mist. You don’t know until you notice it but once it’s there, you can’t shake that feeling of virtue signaling. All that said though, it is in my top 50 shows.
 
Get in the Carr said:
Thank you. Yes, inclusive aka woke.. whatever you want to call it. It doesn’t seem natural. It is trying too hard to send a message versus letting it progress naturally. Like it should in real life.

The real saving grace i guess is Roy’s character is sort of the grumpy man who has values and is who he is. I keep watching because now i get what they are going for. Showing a utopia environment if everyone behaved like they should in society after a few hiccups. Still don’t like the forced “messages” liked saved by the bell. It’s like the viewer is being dumbed down as never knowing people in a mixed relationship, a person of color, gay coworker, or misogynist male in our mist. You don’t know until you notice it but once it’s there, you can’t shake that feeling of virtue signaling. All that said though, it is in my top 50 shows.
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Was it a forced message when Keeley started dating Roy or when Ted and his ex-wife had an amicable break up? There are other lifestyles beyond those you agree with. That they appear on tv now isn't them being forced on you, it's a recognition that there is a normal outside of your point of view. Imagine someone making a show about the NFL without interracial relationships, LOL. It only feels forced because you don't want to see it. For the rest of us, it's like seeing any other relationship.
 
livefromDC said:
Was it a forced message when Keeley started dating Roy or when Ted and his ex-wife had an amicable break up? There are other lifestyles beyond those you agree with. That they appear on tv now isn't them being forced on you, it's a recognition that there is a normal outside of your point of view. Imagine someone making a show about the NFL without interracial relationships, LOL. It only feels forced because you don't want to see it. For the rest of us, it's like seeing any other relationship.
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No it wasn’t forced because those stories went somewhere and didn’t feel like they were thrown in the plot. Sam and Rebecca’s storyline, Colin’s storyline, never went anywhere…The way it was put together had nothing to do with the plot of the show. Same with Keelys’ random fling. Just off and had no purpose.

You’re really off base on your opinion of my opinion. Think outside the box. I’m fine with those relationships. Not fine with them being just being put out there to signal
 
Get in the Carr said:
No it wasn’t forced because those stories went somewhere and didn’t feel like they were thrown in the plot. Sam and Rebecca’s storyline, Colin’s storyline, never went anywhere…The way it was put together had nothing to do with the plot of the show. Same with Keelys’ random fling. Just off and had no purpose.

You’re really off base on your opinion of my opinion. Think outside the box. I’m fine with those relationships. Not fine with them being just being put out there to signal
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So, in your opinion, none of those characters gained any growth from their experience. This is where I think your thinking is off here.

Keely's random fling is totally in character. What she had before hadn't really worked up until that time so she went for something different, something way outside of her comfort zone. She had a tendency to be "all-in" to a relationship within moments of it starting instead of the slower, steadier approach we saw immediately afterward. Keely experienced some really wrenching growth between the rise and fall of her relationship with Roy, then the rise and fall of her business, and the rise and fall of her relationship with Jack where she was made to feel way "less than". Talk about whiplash. What we see now is someone who is much more measured and has had a positive influence on Barbara who has "seen the light" where Jack doesn't value people in the same way.

Sam and Rebecca? The relevance of their relationship (and now what appears to be a deep friendship) was meaningful on many levels. It helped Sam to see what was really important and understand that he was accepted outside of the Nigerian soccer community. It helped him to parse the difference between doing something that he loves over the turf of where he does what he does. It helped Rebecca to see that she didn't have to accept the kind of treatment delivered to her by guys like Rupert, that nice guys existed and she deserved to be treated the way Sam treated her. It also touched on workplace relationships and demonstrated the right thing to do given the circumstances. As for interracial relationships, you find those to be quite a bit more common in Europe, so presenting that here was a cap tip to something we should all be more accepting of. Not everything needs an episode(s) long treatment when a statement or two will suffice.

Colin? Here we have a closeted gay man who is afraid to come out or be caught because he thinks everyone around him will reject him and be cruel in doing so. He thinks his value as a footballer will be diminished. In order to hide, he forgoes any really serious relationships thinking that flings would be easier to get away with. Once Trent outs him and Trent (he really does have fabulous hair) is outed we see a friendship develop that could evolve into something longer and more meaningful. We also see that the person who was most hurt by Colin when he came out was Isaac and it wasn't because Colin was gay, it was because Isaac felt that Colin had lied to him and betrayed him by not being truthful about who he was. The rest of the team, when it was announced, could give two shirts which is exactly how this should be.

I have a daughter who is gay and I knew well before she came out that she was. When she did come out, my former wife's family and former wife (her Mom) rejected her in horrible and cruel ways. Their entire closed-minded state couldn't begin to comprehend that one of their own was......gasp...a lesbian. When we discussed all of this further, my daughter was afraid to be rejected by everyone including family, teammates, classmates, and her closest friends who were not gay.

All in all, you seem to be missing a lot of contexts if you do not think that these characters furthered the overall arc of the "plot of the show" unless you are missing what the plot of the show is.

UPDATE: In all fairness, I should mention my daughter's Mom and some of the family (not all) have come a very long way in their acceptance of my daughter and others who are gay. They may not be 100% on board, but after allowing the conversation to happen they are much more understanding and even embrace some of what it means to be her and be an ally for her and others. It has been amazing to observe.
 
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I would say that if a show like Ted Lasso, with a couple of dozen significant characters (if you count the whole team), hadn't had mentioned any of them being gay, THAT would have been virtue signaling.
 

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