The Buffalo Bills have to be the most cursed franchise in sports. Not even just American football. (14 Viewers)

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Saintman2884 said:
Except, Grand, if you think about it from a singular, seperate perspective, "wide right", whether it was Scott Norwood missing a 47-yarder to potentially win Super Bowl XXV, or Tyler Bass missing a potential game-tying FG at 27-27, the fault for those missed kicks, as opposed to 28-3 is essentially on the PK themselves, whereas Falcons monumental collapse in SB 51 to New England involved a lot more people, OC and HC (Kyle Shanahan himself and Dan Quinn), and most of the team.

" Wide Right", falls squarely on the PK. They pay you hundreds of thousands of dollars, maybe millions like Veniteri, Morten Andersen, Will Lutz even to make these pressure-cooker, high-tension kicks and well, what happened to Buffalo at SB XXV, and last Sunday night are two great examples of PK's not doing their jobs.

But, I won't be intellectually lazy and fall for the temptation to blame both of these losses on Norwood or Bass because historically, fairly examining those losses from a analytical standpoint, their teammates also failed to make key plays or defensive stops, especially in Super Bowl XXV with Belichick's masterful defensive game-plan, which is now in NFL's HOF, called "clock-ball". We also need to remind ourselves that in both of these games, they had short leads at halftime and failure to execute is another big factor why they lost. Buffalo's defense is the reason why they lost that great, classic OT game 2 years ago in 2021 Divisional Round by failing to stop Patrick Mahomes driving down the field with :13 seconds left to set up a game-tying FG.


Marv Levy might be a HOF HC but he didn't prepare, execute, or develop his teams' properly or get them ready, mentally, emotionally, and psychologically for any of those 4 Super Bowl losses and in each contest, but especially in the Bills first two SB appearances, they were way out-coached, outmanuevered, out-played. They also didnt do themselves any favors when their avowed, loudmouth former D-line coach mocked the famous Redskins, " Hogs" offensive line, comparing them to Neanderthals, making silly, ridiculous, honking pig-like sounds the Super Bowl week leading up to the game. Levy, I'm sure deserves to be in Canton but if you examine his in-game coaching decisions, strategic and logistical moves, gameplans, styles, he's no Bill Walsh or Tom Landry and aside from his time as Bills HC, his coaching career, overall was relatively mediocre, with the Chiefs. Bill Polian and Levy's HC predecessors, Chuck Knox and Kay Stephenson, drafted, arranged and built around 85% of those great 90's Buffalo teams. Levy just showed up at the right place, right time and inherited a championship-ready team.
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You totally missed my point, but whatever.
 
GrandAdmiral said:
You totally missed my point, but whatever.
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28-3 collapse in Super Bowl 51 does involve a lot more players choking on a lead or not doing their jobs, as opposed to one guy (PK's) missing a late-game FG in a huge important, critical playoff game. And yes, both are equally devastating in their uniquely similar, (and painful) ways for both franchises, so yeah, I did get what you were saying.

My argument afterwards was that the logistics and amount of people involved were very different. I thought it might make for a interesting discussion topic since we're in the off-season now and maybe this would be a different tact then arguing about DA's overall HC competency, or lack thereof, or who is or should be our new OC going forward now that's Pete Carmichael is gone.
 
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Saintman2884 said:
28-3 collapse in Super Bowl 51 does involve a lot more players choking on a lead or not doing their jobs, as opposed to one guy (PK's) missing a late-game FG in a huge important, critical playoff game. And yes, both are equally devastating in their uniquely similar, (and painful) ways for both franchises, so yeah, I did get what you were saying.

My argument afterwards was that the logistics and amount of people involved were very different. I thought it might make for a interesting discussion topic since we're in the off-season now and maybe this would be a different tact then arguing about DA's overall HC competency, or lack thereof, or who is or should be our new OC going forward now that's Pete Carmichael is gone.
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Again, totally missed my point, but :melike:
 
Going to 4 straight Super Bowls in the 1990s (even losing all of them) doesn’t make you a snake bite franchise now when something doesn’t go right
 
2009ring said:
Let's see:
Vernon Davis
Minneapolis Meanlingless Miracle
NOLA No Call
Carney missing the XP after Pathon's TD
Browns hail mary

We've got some snake bit ourselves here friends.....
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The very big difference is that the Saints already won a Super Bowl. [Username checks out.]
 
2009ring said:
Let's see:
Vernon Davis
Minneapolis Meanlingless Miracle
NOLA No Call
Carney missing the XP after Pathon's TD
Browns hail mary

We've got some snake bit ourselves here friends.....
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When your franchise has a Super Bowl, you can’t say your franchise is snakebitten.
 
BlazingSaint said:
The very big difference is that the Saints already won a Super Bowl. [Username checks out.]
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I mean yes but let's face it the odds of bad things happening to us are way better than something good happening to us. When have you seen Kansas City or the Patriots of Brady era end up with unlucky BS like this?
 
SweetT said:
No and I don’t base my assertion on drunken tailgating fools. As they are supposed to be obnoxious……generally speaking. I come in contact with 100s of true Buffalo fans daily (many migrated to NC). The ones I talk to are definitely good people. In my lifetime, the only fanbases that I can safely say have good tailgating experiences are our Saints, Titans, Washington, Texans, Arizona, Carolina, TB, and ironically the Ravens. Places that I care not to tailgate again are Raiders (although I would like to check out that new stadium), Atlanta, SF, and possibly Dallas. I didn’t have the worst time tailgating in Dallas, their fans are insufferable, but it wasn’t a bad experience overall.
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Back in 2008, I went to the Washington game and after the game walking back to the car, they had fans making Katrina jokes.
 
Scorpius the Allfather said:
Back in 2008, I went to the Washington game and after the game walking back to the car, they had fans making Katrina jokes.
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Words mean absolutely nothing to me (personally). There’s nothing that a stranger can ever say to me, to hurt my feelings. I expect fans heckling visitors. As long as someone doesn’t touch me, I’m cool. I’ve seen Raiders fans beat each other up, over nonsense like arguing about player’s stats. However, sorry if those Washington fans made your experience an awful one. I’ve also been to their training camp a couple of times (went to see certain players and support some Redskins (fans) buddies of mine). They never gave me any trouble, even with my FDL ink out in the open. I once had a Colt Brennan jersey (my ex wife is from Hawaii and she got it for me) wanted to get signed. They apparently only allow a handful of players to interact with fans. However, the fans got Colt’s attention for me, they ushered me up to the front by the gate, he made his way over, and had a conversation when he wasn’t allowed to, even signed the jersey. I give them mad props for that. Most fans wouldn’t do that
 

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