The continued overreactions by fan base and media is embarrassing (7 Viewers)

[Thunderchild]

But yet you called SP some sort of drug addict but gave no proof.

He didn't need to. That period of time is common knowlege and likely the issue that put CSP on the outs with Goodell. Google Sean Payton and vicodin. You'll find plenty of articles that document what happened, mostly speaking of Payton's denial or Loomis' coverup.

I would suspect that the vast majority of users here are well aware of the issue.

 

[HoustonGold]

He didn't need to. That period of time is common knowlege and likely the issue that put CSP on the outs with Goodell. Google Sean Payton and vicodin. You'll find plenty of articles that document what happened, mostly speaking of Payton's denial or Loomis' coverup.

I would suspect that the vast majority of users here are well aware of the issue.

And no proof . Just accusations.

 

[HoustonGold]

Vilma fought those accusations .

Bryant: Jonathan Vilma wins fight for his name

Jonathan Vilma reminded us why we fight presumptions of guilt and powerful organizations: The greatest asset a person has is his name.

www.espn.com

 

[Thunderchild]

Vilma fought those accusations .

Bryant: Jonathan Vilma wins fight for his name

Jonathan Vilma reminded us why we fight presumptions of guilt and powerful organizations: The greatest asset a person has is his name.

www.espn.com

No he did not. Vilma fought the bounty gate accusations. Not the vicodin accusations. The article is not as clear on that as it should be, but these are 2 different things and everyone here but you knows that.

Read your own article. It further talks about Payton, Loomis, Vitt, and Williams taking their [bounty gate] punishments "like good soldiers". Williams wasn't even here for the vicodin scandal and no punishments were handed out for the vicodin thing.

A couple of quotes from your own posted article:

A photo of Vilma adorned the cover of Sports Illustrated with the headline "Bounty Culture."

And they did differentiate between drug issues and bounty gate within the article:

It was political and legal subterfuge masquerading as noble and intelligent surrender, but for anyone convinced that the power is too powerful, that rigged systems are not only corrupt but invincible and cannot be challenged, Vilma reminded us why we fight -- because the greatest asset a person has is his or her name.

The situations are not identical, or even similar, in many cases, but Clemens, Armstrong and Vilma all faced the choice of challenging powerful entities that appeared unbeatable, because of their resources and because of the disturbing presumption of guilt among the public.

Also note the date on the article. 2012 is when the bounty gate punishments (and Vilma's self-defense) took place. Its a crappy artcle, for this topic, that is actually talking about athletes situations when they have to go against a mega sporting association.

Seriously, any Saints fan who has been around for even a little while knows about this stuff. It is huge in the history and lore of the team. I'm not sure why you don't know this stuff but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt as you just came on board in 2020. But stop digging your hole. I can assure that this is a topic that I am very familiar as are almost every other poster in here. Let it go.

And back to the original point that I made. The other poster did not need proof as 99.999% of Saints know and understand what happened and why concerning the vicodin scandal (and the later occuring bounty gate scandal). Sorry you don't.

 

[Thunderchild]

And no proof . Just accusations.

Yeah, well, there is proof. Quite a lot actually. From the Washington Post:

Many of the lapses in the league’s complicated system were on display in the spring of 2009 in New Orleans. During a four-month stretch, the Saints’ team trainers noticed Vicodin pills had gone missing. On April 28, 2009, according to a civil complaint later filed in state district court, the team’s director of security, a former FBI agent named Geoffrey Santini, was notified. At the instruction of Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis, Santini installed a pair of hidden cameras in the Saints’ training room.
The footage in the first video is in full color, grainy but unmistakable. Saints assistant head coach Joe Vitt, wearing khaki shorts and a black long-sleeved team shirt, can be seen unlocking a metal cabinet in the trainer’s office. Unaware that he’s being recorded, Vitt removes a bottle and pours pills into his hand before locking the cabinet and exiting the room.
There are two more video clips from the ensuing days that clearly show Vitt alone in the office, unlocking a cabinet and helping himself to a handful of prescription painkillers. The locks were quickly changed and one final video captured Vitt’s failed attempt to get inside the cabinet.
Not long after, Santini called Loomis to discuss the situation and recorded the conversation. During the exchange, the two discussed to what authority they must answer.
“Mickey, I am just telling you that is not how it works,” Santini says. “The law is there.”
“We are not talking about the law,” Loomis responds. “We are talking about the league.”
The videos and recorded conversations, much of them reviewed by The Post, have become evidence in a DEA investigation that is now in the hands of the U.S. Attorney’s office in New Orleans. The case is still open and, according to people with knowledge of the situation, federal authorities are weighing a hefty fine against the Saints for violating laws governing the proper storage, control and dispensing of prescription drugs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/pain-and-pain-management-in-nfl-spawn-a-culture-of-prescription-drug-use-and-abuse/2013/04/13/3b36f4de-a1e9-11e2-bd52-614156372695_story.html

Now you're up to speed on both topics.