The continued overreactions by fan base and media is embarrassing (8 Viewers)

[Covington Saint]

It's perplexing to me how folks feel like jilted spouses or something because the best HC we have ever had left after only 16 years here.....

And acting like coaches, never, ever do this when it is quite common, only it's usually not after 16 fricken years......

him being the best does not change the fact he quit and walked away from us. Its not common at all.

 

[Covington Saint]

Please stop . You have already contradicted yourself in this thread.

No. You are pretending like you are a gold standard of posting and you are not. I have not attacked Payton whatsoever.

I said he was expired here. Which is very real of the reality of his situation here. He quit on the team. Had no further coaching desire to stay and be a part of the future transformation of the team. It's only you choosing to make that statement as an attack when in reality is very simply the reality of what it was.

 

[Elvis]

I've never said i hate sean payton. That's an assumption you are making.

Sean Payton did have failures during the end of his tenure here. He did quit on us amidst the hard rebuild in front of us. Mickey did a ton of sacrificing the future during payton's tenure to give him every opportunity to win another super bowl.

Now here we are and some pretend like it was strictly mickey's doing.

What hard rebuild? There has been no hard rebuild. Mickey is still doing the same stuff he was doing then. Don't make stuff up now.

 

[Covington Saint]

What hard rebuild? There has been no hard rebuild.

what hard rebuild post drew brees era? really, this is where we are at?

 

[Elvis]

what hard rebuild post drew brees era? really, this is where we are at?

Show me the hard rebuild. The team hasn't done that work yet. Payton's been gone for 3 years.

 

[Covington Saint]

Show me the hard rebuild.

we haven't been to the playoffs since drew brees. hence the hard rebuild.

 

[Elvis]

we haven't been to the playoffs since drew brees. hence the hard rebuild.

The lack of succeeding does not equate to a hard rebuild. I don't think you know really what "hard rebuild" means. We've done nothing dramatically different with our roster. We just lost a few players to other teams and old age and until now, 3 years after Payton left, kept a lot of the staff in place. Barely anything has really changed.

 

[sfidc3]

him being the best does not change the fact he quit and walked away from us. Its not common at all.

Not true, Bill Parcells did it multiple times in his career, I'm sure I can find many more....

 

[HoustonGold]

we haven't been to the playoffs since drew brees. hence the hard rebuild.

So you like the SP era then?

 

[HoustonGold]

SP did not quit he did everything he could do here with what he was given. He brought us a SB and Brought the city back from Katrina. He gave us great memories. That will never be forgotten. I will not have a grudge on him if he felt his time was up here and it was time to move on.

Do you stay at a job forever?

 

[RJ in Lafayette]

This subject pops up frequently.

As a factual matter, Sean Payton quit. He was under contract. By all accounts, the organization desperately wanted to keep him. He decided to leave. Now for some, "quitting" is a moral, not a legal or factual, statement--hence, the resistance by some to the statement that he "quit."

We can debate the reasons that he left, which seems the reason his leaving can be a contentious topic.

I am sure there was some element of mental fatigue. But when leaving, he made clear that he would be coaching again. A year later, he was. Few quitting a job because of burnout proclaim on walking out that they will be back shortly, though with a different company. My opinion is that the principal reason he left is that he did not care for the team's direction, to which he contributed, and knew the team did not have a quarterback. Vince Lombardi stepped down as head coach of the Packers after the 1967 season and remained in Green Bay one more year as general manager before leaving for the Washington Redskins. Lombardi was physically and mentally tired when he stepped down as head coach. But he also knew that the Packers had gotten old and would quickly be a team in decline.

Regarding Sean, one question: If the Saints had picked Mahomes in 2017, would there have been a one percent chance of Payton leaving after the 2021 season?

Again, we can debate whether he should have left--whether he had a moral obligation to the organization not to leave (and given that Benson under pressure from the other owners did not fire him for Bountygate and Payton had been the team's de facto general manager, I would argue that he did) or had fulfilled that moral obligation. But the debate is totally academic. It just doesn't matter.

 

[StudioSaint]

In my case, based on the information we know about who the Saints wanted to interview, and the various other reports from sources have sited. I can make an educated guess that the Saints where likely very interested in Glenn, Johnson and Vrabel.

Your sources reported mostly speculation and very little factual information. Your sources also only have a sliver of the facts, because they are not in the hiring committees meetings and the hiring committee is not telling anyone else what they are thinking and who they are favoring.

Of course there will always be fans, I include myself, that jump to wild baseless speculation from time to time. But that's kind of the point of SSF...

That's what a lot of people do here, but I don't think it's the point of this board. It's allowed to be part of it, but I don't think it's the point of it.

...we all like to pretend we know who to run the Saints better then the people hired to do it.

Not me, brother. I don't do that and I'm not the only one who doesn't.

 

[Jd101]

The deterioration of our fanbase should be studied in a college psychology class.

Ya its awful. No sense in looking else where for an explanation. Sometimes you just got to take things that are face value. The simple truth is that 2 hot candidates (brady is debatable, so at least 1 hot candidate) did not want to pursue with the Saints after virtual interviews.

We may not know why, but there is something they simply did not like. Maybe it was the cap. Maybe Loomis was putting on stipulations. Either way they felt they wouldn't succeed here other wise there would've been two more interviews.

There's just simply no excuses. The problem is in the front office even if we don't know what that problem is.

So did Vrabel pass on every team but the patriots, or did he only want to go to the patriots

 

[3ParStillDriver]

So did Vrabel pass on every team but the patriots, or did he only want to go to the patriots

Great question. Nearly everyone wanted to interview him and he gung ho'd for that Patiots position. The Bears were in hot pursuit, but he chose the Patriots.

Both of those franchises were far more desirable for head coaches then the Saints.

 

[SpeckKillerII]

My question is whose fault is it that we didn’t have a QB ready to take over after Drew retired? The franchise had 20 years or close to 20 years to have someone ready. I don’t know for sure but my guess is Payton. Since we had nobody ready, Sean took the easy way out and said “see ya wouldn’t be ya”. At least that’s what it looks like. Somewhere whether it was the salary cap or whatever, this scouting department forgot how to get good FA’s. Was that Sean also? My gut says Payton made Loomis look good. I’m mad at Sean for bailing on the mess he created. Now, Mickey Mouse is being exposed and I don’t think player evaluation is his forte at all and it’s showing! I think the mouse is a contract guy and nothing more. Just me opinion folks.