The continued overreactions by fan base and media is embarrassing (35 Viewers)

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Hubig said:
Mickey Loomis drafted Jonathan Sullivan btw.
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NO HE DID NOT. That was Haslett who wanted that guy. Loomis made the deal happen with trading picks to move up and put the Saints in position to draft him. He listened to Haslett.

Guys, and girls too, Loomis does not make personnel decisions. That's not the Saints current model. The HC deals with personnel, Loomis makes it happen with contracts, trades, etc. He is at the behest of the HC when it comes to personnel.

His sin was promoting DA in the 1st place.
 
MJ in Calif said:
When a team fires a coach, they're not a top tier team. They're bad, usually really bad. The coach they've hired as a replacenent is going to a bad team. You guys really need to proofread your comments before posting them. The Jets are a bad team and have a long history of being bad. Bears are similar. So are the Jags, the Browns, Giants and the Panthers. Take a look at the teams that are always drafting in the top 5. It's usually the same group of them year in and year out. And they're there every year because they suck.

All this needs to be put into perspective. JMHO.😐
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Not even sure why you replied to my comment, It's almost like you did not read the 3-4 post that I had may previously and so have zero context.

But just to respond, yes when a team is hiring a coach is usually because they are bad, but that's not what we are discussing in this post. The OP belives missing out on AG and Brady was a good thing and thinks that anyone that thinks differently is ignorant.

The point I have been trying to make is that of the teams looking for coaches this year it would seem the Saints are maybe the least desirable location. I don't think that a wild statement to make.

Not all bad teams are created equal. Some have better options at QB, some have more cap space or more draft capital. Some even have intangible perks like location, prestige of being a coach for that team, etc.

Let me ask anyone a question. Do you think the Saints would prefer to have Vrabel, Johnson, or Glenn over any of the remaining coaches they will likely hire? I think the answer is yes they would.
 
ravenblade23x said:
Let me ask anyone a question. Do you think the Saints would prefer to have Vrabel, Johnson, or Glenn over any of the remaining coaches they will likely hire? I think the answer is yes they would.
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I don't really know and I'm not sure you do either. Do you have any inside information?Did they want Vrabel? Sure but he was going to NE period. His decision had nothing to do with the Saints organization.

None of those hires are a guarantee and given the recent history of those franchises, it's not a given that any of them will succeed in those places. I mean look at those franchises. They suck every year, they're always at the top of the draft order, and it seems like they're always replacing coaches. The Saints finished 5-12, mainly due to massive injuries, and yet they're still picking 10th in the upcoming draft. 9 teams were worse.

I'm not defending Loomis either. He made a huge mistake with DA. He's now gotta correct that. Will he? We'll see.
 
Covington Saint said:
The Saints have been told no or been passed on every coaching cycle in our existence.

Joe Brady is young and the greenest of all the options. High failure rate.

We do have some cap hurdles. Get over it.

Aaron Glenn went to New York where he played ball and got to bring a friend option. So what. 75% of us were crying we didn’t want him either.

Other organizations made terrible hires and nobody is criticizing them. I mean I don’t want the Pete Carroll and Russel Wilson option. PASS.

I don’t want Brian Schitneuer, I mean that’s equivalent To Mickey just hiring kubiak.

People are sky screaming and it’s all absurd. What’s worse is the media leading the crap narrative.
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Well we definitely have the least going for us among the teams who got new coaches. So that might say you’re wrong?
 
MJ in Calif said:
I don't really know and I'm not sure you do either. Do you have any inside information?Did they want Vrabel? Sure but he was going to NE period. His decision had nothing to do with the Saints organization.

None of those hires are a guarantee and given the recent history of those franchises, it's not a given that any of them will succeed in those places. I mean look at those franchises. They suck every year, they're always at the top of the draft order, and it seems like they're always replacing coaches. The Saints finished 5-12, mainly due to massive injuries, and yet they're still picking 10th in the upcoming draft. 9 teams were worse.

I'm not defending Loomis either. He made a huge mistake with DA. He's now gotta correct that. Will he? We'll see.
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Of course we don't know, but we can make an educated guess. Almost every post on SSF is some form speculation. Go back and read the OP's original post, where he stated in fact that we did not want Glenn or Brady.

The entire point is not really about who the Saints wanted or did not want, it's about the optics. Once again let's focus on what this post is about, no matter how you spin it, the Saints have had several candidates pass on them for other teams. You can quibble about how much the Saints where really interested in those coaches but you can't pretend like it does not paint the team in a bad light.

Is it really that much of a stretch to say that the Saints HC is just not a very desirable spot. I am not saying that the Saints should hire any candidate or that even missing out on a candidate is the end of the world. Not even saying we can't still hire a good coach. All I am saying is that I think the OP is wrong. I think it's fair to point out that missing out on AG is a bad look for the FO and that there is nothing inherently wrong with saying this.
 
ravenblade23x said:
Of course we don't know, but we can make an educated guess.
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An educated, which means well-informed, guess requires a lot more information than any fan is privy to.

Fan's jump to conclusions with only the slightest slivers of information. They don't make educated or well-informed guesses. There's nothing wrong with that, but it is what it is.
 
3ParStillDriver said:
I agree. I don’t think Loomis has a lot of wiggle room. This next coach will have about 3-4 years to make us post season competitive and Loomis who very well may take a walk with his 3rd head coach selection if not.

After the disaster that was Dennis Allen, I don’t believe .500 average every season is enough to secure a 4th chance.
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4 years! Oy vey!
 
It's all good.

I'm expecting another five win season from our lovable losers so with the bar set so low, who cares?

Just get any, and I mean ANY expectations of a winning season and playoffs out of your mindset, and it makes it better........?
 
No the embarrassment is the lack of desire to win from the head of this organization Mickey Loomis.

In his press conference he tells fans as if we are dumb to "look beyond the results" and that the front office is comfortable with where they are, no changes needed or wanted. When you listen to him there is 0 fire or sense of urgency from him and the coaches can sense that. You can tell in the nonchalant attitude Mickey has toward winning that he knows he is invincible because he got lucky that Miami told Brees he would never play football again.

When you eternal optimism people look back 5 years from now and we are no closer to competing then as we are today then you will see how inept this organization has become.

Gayle will only wake up once the dome is empty.
 

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