The journey of Chris Ivory: Dismissed, discarded and, finally, celebrated (1 Viewer)

[Saint of Killers]

How hard is it to understand, swapping first round picks isn't the same as using two first round picks? We used two picks to get Ingram, but one of them was a 2nd rounder. WE DID NOT USE TWO FIRST ROUND PICKS ON INGRAM.

With that said, I'm not surprised to see Ivory do as good as he has in New York. Hindsight is 20/20, but it was understandable why the FO chose to keep Ingram and trade Ivory. We we're loaded at RB, at that time. Ivory was the better pure rusher, while Ingram was the more complete back. Ivory still is the better rusher, but in an offense that passes as much as we do, it makes sense to keep the back that's better at pass protection and catching the ball. I wish Ivory was still here, but Khiry reminds me a lot of Ivory and I hope we see him get more involved in the offense going forward.

 

[mither_rome]

When they traded him, I had no problem with it because of his lack of durability.

Per nfl.com, from 2010 to 2012, CI only played 12, 6, and 6 games with the Saints. In 2014 and 2015, he played in 15 and 16 games. I was surprised at this sudden increase in durability with a change in teams. I wonder what caused it.

You have to wonder. Maybe it's just luck , but Byrd brought in his own doctor. I understand Keenan Lewis used Byrd's doctor in better diagnosing his hip issue. Maybe we have a deficiency in treatment and medical evaluation?

 

[bclemms]

So we used one first round pick. Not two.

If I give you one first round pick and you give me one first round pick. I still have one first round pick.

Ok, let me try this again.

You have $1. The candy bar you want cost $2. So you sell your two pieces of gum for a $1. You then buy the candy bar. How many dollars did you spend to get the candy bar?

It wasn't just a 1st round pick. It was a first round pick and a 2nd round pick.

Edit: Nevermind. I thought you were saying we only used a first round pick. You were just saying we only used 1 first round pick.

 

[Alan]

It's not how many yards you rush for, it's how efficiently you run the ball. I'd much rather only have 120 yards a game getting 5 yards per carry than I would 200 yards at 3 yards per carry.

We've elected to go with the least efficient back in the Payton era.

The drafting of Ingram is where so many things went wrong with this team. Imaging if we stayed put, drafted Justin Houston or Richard Sherman. Then in 2012 drafted Bobby Wagner or Alshon Jeffery with the pick we gave up to get Ingram.

Hindsight is 20/20. I thought the Ingram pick was going to pay off. I thought he was better than he is and I was wrong. The difference is the Saints can't seem to admit the mistake and instead sign him to a big contract and insist that he be the feature back in our offense.

We've changed the blocking scheme to fit an average at best RB, changed our game plans to fit Ingram and we've become more predictable on offense because of it and the team has suffered. Now it looks like we'll be parting ways with another back better than Ingram just because the team wont admit Ingram isn't who we thought we were drafting.

The seasons in which Ingram touches the ball the most, we've had our worst seasons. The seasons in which he touches the ball the least we've had our best season. When he's been healthy we've been a .500 team. When he's missed games we've been one of the best teams in the league.

Don't get me wrong the team has had many other problems but this is the one that could have been handled very easily and a long time ago.

It isn't Ingram's fault. The guy comes out and runs hard, he puts in the work in the offseason, he just isn't very good.

I don't even know where to start.

Blaming Ingram for the failures of a team game?

I can flip it for you and say it's all Brees fault since he touches the ball more than anyone. /sarcasm

Oline in decline yet expecting us to produce runs is akin to insanity.

Ingram is catching a lot of passes now so I would venture to say the predictability of him in the back field is dissolving rather quickly.

Lacking valid WRs, but hey, let's pin that on Ingram too since he is in the backfield.

 

[kcirdor]

Ok, let me try this again.

You have $1. The candy bar you want cost $2. So you sell your two pieces of gum for a $1. You then buy the candy bar. How many dollars did you spend to get the candy bar?

It wasn't just a 1st round pick. It was a first round pick and a 2nd round pick.

Let me try this again...

What are these two first round picks you speak of? We spent ONE 1st round pick, and traded a 2nd round pick to acquire that first rounder. We swapped first rounders from one year to the next. Swapping does not equate spending.

NFL Draft Trade: Patriots, Saints Put Together Mark Ingram Swap - SBNation.com

The statement was and continues to be we invested TWO first round picks into Ingram. That is wrong, and will always be wrong no matter how many times Saints fans say it is so.

 

[Le_fleur_fan_78]

What's funny is the gif flashes *score alert* at the bottom of the screen the moment Chris touches the ball. Well played NFL network, well played.

 

[bclemms]

Let me try this again...



The statement was and continues to be we invested TWO first round picks into Ingram. That is wrong, and will always be wrong no matter how many times Saints fans say it is so.

Yeah, I went back and reread. My fault. I thought you were saying we only used a first round pick when we used a 1st and a 2nd. You were simply saying we only used one first round pick and not two first round picks.

 

[kcirdor]

What's funny is the gif flashes *score alert* at the bottom of the screen the moment Chris touches the ball. Well played NFL network, well played.

And then it shows the panthers score...

 

[meily]

This was interesting:
"I don't know why they traded him," said a longtime personnel executive, speaking on the condition of anonymity. "To me, he was the best back they had."

Many of us felt the same way.

They'll do the same thing with Robinson.

 

[Saints 4 life]

They'll do the same thing with Robinson.

Sad but true.

 

[Le_fleur_fan_78]

They'll do the same thing with Robinson.

True, but I hope they change. Then again, we always seem to be able to find the next RB. I don't want the FO to overpay when a younger, faster version of "that guy" is going to come cheap in FA.

 

[meily]

True, but I hope they change. Then again, we always seem to be able to find the next RB. I don't want the FO to overpay when a younger, faster version of "that guy" is going to come cheap in FA.

"Overpay" is a SR.com term for when a person doesn't want a player the team signed. We've found young running back help twice by checking under the couch and may lose both of them because we out money into players with bigger names and resumes coming out if college. I am not against mark Ingram but which out caonissues last year and the emergence of Khiry Robinson it seemed like most that Ingram was going to move on to bigger pastures and our second RB Gem would be given the chance our 1st RB Gem did not get because of the presence of Ingram, Sproles and Thomas.

 

[HobBeh]

It's strange that Bush had durability issues until he left, then he went 16 game and racked up 1000+, same durability questions for Ivory. Forget Ingram for a moment, how much does this training staff suck?

His broken leg in 2010 was because of a punt return dive tackle to the knee. What training staff can overcome that?

 

[0rion]

should've kept Ivory and traded Ingram...would've gotten more from the deal and ended up with the better back.

 

[meily]

should've kept Ivory and traded Ingram...would've gotten more from the deal and ended up with the better back.

Should of never drafted a Ingram, we already had Ivory. Ingram is not a bad player just was not a priority draft pick but a luxery...running backs can be found anywhere, where a team that proves that over and over again (Ivory, Robinson)