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Is it really so shocking that Robert Downey Jr is to return to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, not as Iron Man/Tony Stark, but as the supervillain Doctor Doom?

Well yes, because nobody had really seen this coming when the actor was unveiled at Comic-Con in San Diego last weekend.

Despite the advent of the multiverse after Stark’s death in Avengers: Endgame more than five years ago, the studio had opted not to bring the superhero back as a version of himself from another reality, even though this would have been easier than Doctor Strange opening a portal to the nearest Himalayan tea shop.

The sense was that Downey Jr was probably done with this superhero stuff, that any return for Iron Man would have to be in the distant future and that it would most likely involve a new actor in the suit.

The prospect of the Oscar-winner ever playing Stark again has almost certainly been torpedoed off the map by the announcement that Downey Jr will return in Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars, both of which are expected to hit cinemas by 2027.

In many ways this is an ingenious move by Marvel. Downey Jr is the actor who kicked off the studio’s most popular phase with 2008’s Iron Man. But given he is now playing an entirely new character, producers can hardly be accused of retreading a tired old path.

This is not Sean Connery back in the saddle as 007 in Never Say Never Again, or Arnold Schwarzenegger playing the T-800 for the umpteenth time: there is the potential for something more interesting to happen with the casting, and no Marvel supervillain needs an actor with serious weight to portray them more than Victor von Doom.

Despite being a mainstay of the comics as the terrifying, magic and science-wielding arch-nemesis of Marvel’s first family, the Fantastic Four, Doom has often been a total joke on the big screen.

Julian McMahon’s take in 2005’s Fantastic Four was less sinister, diabolical Latverian monarch, more disgruntled tech bro who finally snaps after too many password resets.

The character’s return in 2007’s equally execrable Rise of the Silver Surfer – injured face miraculously healed because apparently cosmic energy blasts double nicely as a high-end skin care routine – saw him riding the latter’s cosmic surfboard over waves of mediocrity straight into our collective disappointment.

The less said about Toby Kebbell’s bloodless portrayal in the misguided “dark” 2015 reboot from Josh Trank, in which the often excellent Briton displayed all the charisma of a malfunctioning Roomba, the better……..

 
Is it really so shocking that Robert Downey Jr is to return to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, not as Iron Man/Tony Stark, but as the supervillain Doctor Doom?

Well yes, because nobody had really seen this coming when the actor was unveiled at Comic-Con in San Diego last weekend.

Despite the advent of the multiverse after Stark’s death in Avengers: Endgame more than five years ago, the studio had opted not to bring the superhero back as a version of himself from another reality, even though this would have been easier than Doctor Strange opening a portal to the nearest Himalayan tea shop.

The sense was that Downey Jr was probably done with this superhero stuff, that any return for Iron Man would have to be in the distant future and that it would most likely involve a new actor in the suit.

The prospect of the Oscar-winner ever playing Stark again has almost certainly been torpedoed off the map by the announcement that Downey Jr will return in Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars, both of which are expected to hit cinemas by 2027.

In many ways this is an ingenious move by Marvel. Downey Jr is the actor who kicked off the studio’s most popular phase with 2008’s Iron Man. But given he is now playing an entirely new character, producers can hardly be accused of retreading a tired old path.

This is not Sean Connery back in the saddle as 007 in Never Say Never Again, or Arnold Schwarzenegger playing the T-800 for the umpteenth time: there is the potential for something more interesting to happen with the casting, and no Marvel supervillain needs an actor with serious weight to portray them more than Victor von Doom.

Despite being a mainstay of the comics as the terrifying, magic and science-wielding arch-nemesis of Marvel’s first family, the Fantastic Four, Doom has often been a total joke on the big screen.

Julian McMahon’s take in 2005’s Fantastic Four was less sinister, diabolical Latverian monarch, more disgruntled tech bro who finally snaps after too many password resets.

The character’s return in 2007’s equally execrable Rise of the Silver Surfer – injured face miraculously healed because apparently cosmic energy blasts double nicely as a high-end skin care routine – saw him riding the latter’s cosmic surfboard over waves of mediocrity straight into our collective disappointment.

The less said about Toby Kebbell’s bloodless portrayal in the misguided “dark” 2015 reboot from Josh Trank, in which the often excellent Briton displayed all the charisma of a malfunctioning Roomba, the better……..

I disagree with that article. The fact that he's returning as a villain makes it more likely that he could return as a Stark variant, not less likely.
 
Is it really so shocking that Robert Downey Jr is to return to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, not as Iron Man/Tony Stark, but as the supervillain Doctor Doom?

Well yes, because nobody had really seen this coming when the actor was unveiled at Comic-Con in San Diego last weekend.

Despite the advent of the multiverse after Stark’s death in Avengers: Endgame more than five years ago, the studio had opted not to bring the superhero back as a version of himself from another reality, even though this would have been easier than Doctor Strange opening a portal to the nearest Himalayan tea shop.

The sense was that Downey Jr was probably done with this superhero stuff, that any return for Iron Man would have to be in the distant future and that it would most likely involve a new actor in the suit.

The prospect of the Oscar-winner ever playing Stark again has almost certainly been torpedoed off the map by the announcement that Downey Jr will return in Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars, both of which are expected to hit cinemas by 2027.

In many ways this is an ingenious move by Marvel. Downey Jr is the actor who kicked off the studio’s most popular phase with 2008’s Iron Man. But given he is now playing an entirely new character, producers can hardly be accused of retreading a tired old path.

This is not Sean Connery back in the saddle as 007 in Never Say Never Again, or Arnold Schwarzenegger playing the T-800 for the umpteenth time: there is the potential for something more interesting to happen with the casting, and no Marvel supervillain needs an actor with serious weight to portray them more than Victor von Doom.

Despite being a mainstay of the comics as the terrifying, magic and science-wielding arch-nemesis of Marvel’s first family, the Fantastic Four, Doom has often been a total joke on the big screen.

Julian McMahon’s take in 2005’s Fantastic Four was less sinister, diabolical Latverian monarch, more disgruntled tech bro who finally snaps after too many password resets.

The character’s return in 2007’s equally execrable Rise of the Silver Surfer – injured face miraculously healed because apparently cosmic energy blasts double nicely as a high-end skin care routine – saw him riding the latter’s cosmic surfboard over waves of mediocrity straight into our collective disappointment.

The less said about Toby Kebbell’s bloodless portrayal in the misguided “dark” 2015 reboot from Josh Trank, in which the often excellent Briton displayed all the charisma of a malfunctioning Roomba, the better……..


I'm just glad they figured out that it's the villain who makes a superhero movie. Done right, Victor von Doom is as compelling as Loki while remaining lawful evil to the core.
 
I'm just glad they figured out that it's the villain who makes a superhero movie. Done right, Victor von Doom is as compelling as Loki while remaining lawful evil to the core.

It's why he's my favorite supervillain. He's a guy with the scientific prowess of Reed Richard's and the magical skill of Dr. Strange who has such insane levels of megalomania that he believes only he has the vision and power to save the Earth from itself.

He's not out to murder indiscriminately or conquer just to conquer. He genuinely believes he has the planet's best interest at heart and everyone else is too stupid to see it. And because of that he will take whatever measures he deems necessary to accomplish his goals while still adhering to his admittedly situational concept of honor.

But he's not a well intentioned extremist like Magneto. He's vain and paranoid and arrogant beyond measure. To the point that he often sabotages himself.

He's a dictator but his people kind of vibe with him and he genuinely loves Latveria. His soul had been judged to honestly have the Earth's best interest at heart, but only in the context of him being an absolute ruler and directly controlling everything.

He's the ultimate control freak who has no time for your bullshirt and knows you're too stupid to save yourself so he's going to do it for you, but don't piss him off while he's doing it.
 
It's why he's my favorite supervillain. He's a guy with the scientific prowess of Reed Richard's and the magical skill of Dr. Strange who has such insane levels of megalomania that he believes only he has the vision and power to save the Earth from itself.

He's not out to murder indiscriminately or conquer just to conquer. He genuinely believes he has the planet's best interest at heart and everyone else is too stupid to see it. And because of that he will take whatever measures he deems necessary to accomplish his goals while still adhering to his admittedly situational concept of honor.

But he's not a well intentioned extremist like Magneto. He's vain and paranoid and arrogant beyond measure. To the point that he often sabotages himself.

He's a dictator but his people kind of vibe with him and he genuinely loves Latveria. His soul had been judged to honestly have the Earth's best interest at heart, but only in the context of him being an absolute ruler and directly controlling everything.

He's the ultimate control freak who has no time for your bullshirt and knows you're too stupid to save yourself so he's going to do it for you, but don't piss him off while he's doing it.
But not quite smart enough to realize what a marketing mistake calling yourself “Doom” is

The world would let Dr Puppies save them


:hihi:
 
and has a mastery of magic that has him as a potential candidate for Sorcerer Supreme.
And ironically, at the end of this current Marvel Comics event...

Strange gives up the Sorcerer Supreme mantle to Doom in order to save the world. And of course, Doom doesn't give it back as promised.
 
And ironically, at the end of this current Marvel Comics event...

Strange gives up the Sorcerer Supreme mantle to Doom in order to save the world. And of course, Doom doesn't give it back as promised.
Reminds me of when Strange gives the Time Stone to Thanos.
 
And ironically, at the end of this current Marvel Comics event...

Strange gives up the Sorcerer Supreme mantle to Doom in order to save the world. And of course, Doom doesn't give it back as promised.

I love his rationale for that, too

Strange gives up the Sorcerer Supreme mantle to him to stop that specific threat, but when he does and Strange asks for it back, Doom is essentially like (paraphrasing) "I did say I'd give it back when i saved the world, but I'm just getting started on that."
 
I love his rationale for that, too

Strange gives up the Sorcerer Supreme mantle to him to stop that specific threat, but when he does and Strange asks for it back, Doom is essentially like (paraphrasing) "I did say I'd give it back when i saved the world, but I'm just getting started on that."
Yep. Got a big laugh from me too.
 

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