This team needs Jon Gruden right now

[Hubig]

We will never be a good team again as long as ML is treating the head coach position like it’s just an upper team management position. It’s unheard of that a GM decides who he wants as position coaches first, then leverages in a head coach. (By leverage I mean the GM tells the coach “ you can have the job If you do this or that”) This is why DA seemed weak, like a yes man and without ability to enforce accountability. Part of being the head coach is having full control. Anyway, I’m hoping that’s not what’s going on behind the scenes.

Nick Underhill said that story about Loomis wanting to keep position coaches for the next hire wasn't true. He also said, it could end up that way if the head coach wants those guys though.

 

[St. Widge]

Its settling for the 3rd tier coach that no one else is even considering.

I don't disagree. I'm just saying that some guys are saying he's the "alpha dog" we need to kick this team's arse into gear and you are saying hiring him would be proof that Loomis just wants a "yes man".

Personally I think it would be proof that Loomis doesn't know how to look past friends as HCs and has poor judgment when it comes to those friends.

But, the good news is it appears that is not the case since there is no information out there that we are actually interviewing Gruden and Underhill says it's highly unlikely that Gruden will be a candidate for the job.

 

[Hubig]

The brand of football the Saints want to play is never going to work without a top 8 defense and a top 5 running game. Its just a complete waste of time with Carr if he has to throw 35-40 times a game, he's not Burrow.

 

[kcirdor]

I don't disagree. I'm just saying that some guys are saying he's the "alpha dog" we need to kick this team's arse into gear and you are saying hiring him would be proof that Loomis just wants a "yes man".

Personally I think it would be proof that Loomis doesn't know how to look past friends as HCs and has poor judgment when it comes to those friends.

But, the good news is it appears that is not the case since there is no information out there that we are actually interviewing Gruden and Underhill says it's highly unlikely that Gruden will be a candidate for the job.

No, its proof that we settled for coaches that couldn't get a job elsewhere. If that makes him a yes man because its his only opportunity, dont care. But the point was that the Saints wont get the top candidates, they will have to settle for a coach that cant get a job elsewhere. We already know Loomis is nothing but loyal. We learned that with Haslett all the way through DA. He is loyal to his friends.

 

[SWJJ]

Gruden might still be a good coach, but the Saints don't need that bullseye on them.

This is my take too.

I think Gruden knows ball and would be a great coach, but he's a PR nightmare, and I don't think his type of behavior should be ignored, there should be consequences for being a racist misogynist using homophobic slurs in PROFESSIONAL emails.

It's bad enough if people are like that at home, but there is NO PLACE for that behavior in the workplace.

 

[St. Widge]

Even DC4 himself said YESTERDAY that this team needs a “passionate leader of men”. Can people understand this? Or just ignore it, and continue to talk about the opposite types. That’s why Gruden and Vrabel are interesting, they are the only two that fit this mold. I do not think the majority of people understand this point.

I think everyone knows that a HC needs to be a leader of men. It's really not a controversial opinion.

But, what I also understand is that Gruden is not the only "leader of men" that is available and that no matter what kind of leader of men he is, he also has major issues that will undermine his ability to lead many NFL players, and he hasn't been a good football coach since the early 2000s.

There are lots of ways to lead mean. Gruden's loud in your face style isn't the only way to do it and lots of other candidates, certainly Glenn and Vrabel, are leaders of men and maybe better leaders of men than Gruden. Rizzi is a leader of men, but he lacks the X's and O's to handle a side of the ball and he showed a lack of skills at game management. And there may be others that are just as good at it but we won't know because we don't know them and didn't get to see them on Monday Night Football and other media.

And by the way, Derek Carr also liked DA as the head coach so what does that say about who he considers a leader of men?

 

[Consigliere]

The use of ‘alpha’ is banal

The use of 'banal' is anal.

 

[BigDSaintsFan]

Look at how undisciplined this team has been since coach Payton left. We need a coach with fire, who will demand respect, an alpha, and one who studies every detail of the game, along with their x and o’s knowledge. That screams Jon Gruden. Everyone else mentioned has a personality of Dennis Allen and will just be Yes Men to Loomis. Let Gruden run it for a couple years until we get out of this cap situation and make the most out of what we have now and also help demand excellence from the incoming rookie classes and lay a foundation for whatever coach may come in afterwards. DA has destroyed that and we need it back badly. It’s crazy how the broncos looked from year 1 to year 2 and you can see the players play hard and respond well to SP. we need to that right now in the worst way on this current team.

And you think Gruden is the only coach that can give the team the discipline it needs?

 

[St. Widge]

No, its proof that we settled for coaches that couldn't get a job elsewhere. If that makes him a yes man because its his only opportunity, dont care. But the point was that the Saints wont get the top candidates, they will have to settle for a coach that cant get a job elsewhere. We already know Loomis is nothing but loyal. We learned that with Haslett all the way through DA. He is loyal to his friends.

Let it all out. You'll feel better.

 

[kcirdor]

Let it all out. You'll feel better.

Out of all the candidates we are considering, Gruden is the only one i absolutely want no part of and if he is signed its simply more proof of what I've been warning about for years.(and there are no actual reports we are considering him. Just speculation)

 

[St. Widge]

Out of all the candidates we are considering, Gruden is the only one i absolutely want no part of and if he is signed its simply more proof of what I've been warning about for years.(and there are no actual reports we are considering him. Just speculation)

I mean, I think I just said that there are no actual reports that he will be a candidate and Underhill said it is unlikely that he will be a candidate. And of all the guys the team is rumored to have interest in, I agree that Gruden is the only one that I want no part of.

But although I don't want him, Gruden would not be a "yes man" to Loomis. If anything, Loomis would hire Gruden because Gruden would take full control of the organization the way Payton did when he was the head coach. So hiring Gruden would be dumb and would show a lack of imagination, but it wouldn't show that Loomis is just looking for a "yes man". But, he would show that he is continuing to make poor decisions.

 

[Rexman100]

I think everyone knows that a HC needs to be a leader of men. It's really not a controversial opinion.

But, what I also understand is that Gruden is not the only "leader of men" that is available and that no matter what kind of leader of men he is, he also has major issues that will undermine his ability to lead many NFL players, and he hasn't been a good football coach since the early 2000s.

There are lots of ways to lead mean. Gruden's loud in your face style isn't the only way to do it and lots of other candidates, certainly Glenn and Vrabel, are leaders of men and maybe better leaders of men than Gruden. Rizzi is a leader of men, but he lacks the X's and O's to handle a side of the ball and he showed a lack of skills at game management. And there may be others that are just as good at it but we won't know because we don't know them and didn't get to see them on Monday Night Football and other media.

And by the way, Derek Carr also like DA as the head coach so what does that say about who he considers a leader of men?

Derek Carr was talking about Rich Bisaccia. He said that he was the best leader of men coaches he’s ever been around. He said that Rizzi was similar. He didn’t mention DA. (You’re trying to obfuscate the argument with that comment).

Bottom line, we have to suit up a coach next year that can go head to head with the likes of Sean Payton and Andy Reid. It just so happens, we got obliterated by both of those coaches this year. What we’re doing Isn’t working. We need a completely new direction.

 

[Elvis]

I really don't understand the fascination with Gruden. I don't even think he's that great. Not great in Oakland, won with Tony Dungy's team in Tampa, decent on Monday Night Football, not great in Vegas.

 

[Rexman100]

I mean, I think I just said that there are no actual reports that he will be a candidate and Underhill said it is unlikely that he will be a candidate. And of all the guys the team is rumored to have interest in, I agree that Gruden is the only one that I want no part of.

But although I don't want him, Gruden would not be a "yes man" to Loomis. If anything, Loomis would hire Gruden because Gruden would take full control of the organization the way Payton did when he was the head coach. So hiring Gruden would be dumb and would show a lack of imagination, but it wouldn't show that Loomis is just looking for a "yes man". But, he would show that he is continuing to make poor decisions.

I’ll give you a 1/2 like for this comment, I liked that you understand that we need an alpha