This team needs Jon Gruden right now

[kcirdor]

What does a banana have to do with it?

Anal

 

[Rexman100]

So he's the right head coach for the Saints because of his fashion sense? Uniform colors don't win games.

And it was creamsicle, not pink. And, frankly, I've always kind of liked the old Tampa creamsicle uniforms.

Well that says more about you than I wanted to know. Lol Jk.

 

[Madmarsha]

Anal

Plain speak. No double entendres for you, I guess. lol

 

[Booker]

Did you see Tampa when he got there? Remember their colors, (what was it pink, or light orange) then remember the new uniforms and the pirate ship. That’s all Gruden

The uniform change came during Dungy's second year (1997). Nothing to do with Gruden -- when the Glazer's bought the team in '95 they announced they were getting rid of the creamsicle uniforms.

 

[los226]

I like Gruden. I asked the question yesterday, in another thread, what was his nfl banishment all about…. I wasn’t paying too much attention to it when it was happening. The more I research it, the more I find flaws like the bounty gate evidence. I am not a fan of cancel culture, especially based to specific interpretations of what was said and in what context. In my opinion, there is Lots of grey area with what he said racially. Now, with that said, I think that any team that hires Gruden will go on the NFL crap list and we all know how that feels. No matter what you do, there will be a moment where the NFL powers at hand will remind you what it is like to defy them.

I agree with the racist interpretation. His comments were definitely uncalled for and childish, but to say they were racist is subjective. I didn’t see that he called him the N word in the emails. Maybe he did and I missed it because that would clearly be racist.

But you can say people have big ears and big lips without it being race related. I’ve heard white people get made fun of for having big ears all the time when I was younger. Alfalfa from Little Rascals come to mind.

And I also remember this Hispanic girl when I was in high school that had some huge lips (which we thought were attractive) and we nicknamed her ApocaLIPS because they were huge.

So just because someone gets made of fun for having big lips and big ears doesn’t necessarily mean it’s racist.

 

[Rexman100]

You talking about PRACTICE????

I guess you haven’t seen the cringy after a win DA victory speeches. So if the guy brings it in practice (JG) imagine after a win. Whatever this all moot, the woke culture will win. The bottom line is this, we need a coach that can motivate a team full of scrubs. Show me a coach playing now, besides the great ones I mentioned, that can do the same. Remember we have NO cap, no flexibility. So we have to play the hand we have now. Could the coach of Minn, GB, SF, Rams, Philly, band together a team of scrubs and win? Or do they require a great team and a full cap?

 

[Infoman]

Some of you guys are really over thinking this... We are stuck with Carr for one more year... Neither Carr nor Gruden are the future of the team... If we are unable to land a young offensive HC that will blow this up after next season...

The the next best thing is to hire the only HC that has ever made Carr look like a top 5 QB... so that we can get all we can out of him before we dump him after next year.

I'm okay with Gruden as a "bridge HC" for a year or 2 so we can get the most out of Carr... And so we have a real football man in the building to get this tear down and rebuild started... and potentially get us to the next HC if we can't land the one we need this offseason.

 

[Judge_Smails]

But yet you can’t show me. Word salad.

Any coach that isn’t fighting Goodell.

Any coach running a relevant offense that scores points instead of Gruden’s west coast short passing game offense that does not score points.

Any coach that can actually develop a QB and win, something Gruden has never done. Gruden will dig in on Carr, rather than try to find the Saints future QB.

Any coach that will focus on building a legacy instead of preening for the cameras.

Gruden is Ditka 2.0. I would take Johnson, Glenn, Brady, and Glenn over Gruden because in 2025 they are all more likely to succeed than a guy that has not been a winner since the 2000s.

You can’t prove Gruden is at this moment a better candidate than any of those guys. You believe, but can prove it.

The only reason Loomis would hire him is because they are from the same generation and he won’t have to do a real rebuild with Chucky who would keep shooting for mediocrity, just like he did in Tampa and the second time with the Raiders.

 

[Rexman100]

The uniform change came during Dungy's second year (1997). Nothing to do with Gruden -- when the Glazer's bought the team in '95 they announced they were getting rid of the creamsicle uniforms.

I stand corrected. Too bad he couldn’t win a Super Bowl with the team he created. It took JG. He won with Payton Manning at Indy. However , I think TD is a great coach too. He banded together scrubs and created great teams.

 

[Judge_Smails]

I guess you haven’t seen the cringy after a win DA victory speeches. So if the guy brings it in practice (JG) imagine after a win. Whatever this all moot, the woke culture will win. The bottom line is this, we need a coach that can motivate a team full of scrubs. Show me a coach playing now, besides the great ones I mentioned, that can do the same. Remember we have NO cap, no flexibility. So we have to play the hand we have now. Could the coach of Minn, GB, SF, Rams, Philly, band together a team of scrubs and win? Or do they require a great team and a full cap?

DA sucks. Never wanted him after his first game against Atl. Just because he was a meek, bad coach doesn’t mean only Jon Gruden can fix it.

 

[St. Widge]

Show you what? That there are more than two NFL HC applicants that are “leaders of men”?

Bruh, if you think that old Jon Gruden Is one of only two guys that could fit the leader category then I assume you’re beyond being shown anything.

I can point you back to all the stats and facts in this thread showing that Gruden hasn’t been a “good “ coach since the early 2000s. I can also point to all the successful HC hires in the league the past few years that are nothing like him.

Gruden has the mojo on some of you dudes though. It’s a trip.

I think a lot of this is an overreaction to DA sucking. He was mild and not a real leader so people are insisting on the extreme opposite with a yeller and/or hype man like Gruden and/or Rizzi.

 

[Rexman100]

Any coach that isn’t fighting Goodell.

Any coach running a relevant offense that scores points instead of Gruden’s west coast short passing game offense that does not score points.

Any coach that can actually develop a QB and win, something Gruden has never done. Gruden will dig in on Carr, rather than try to find the Saints future QB.

Any coach that will focus on building a legacy instead of preening for the cameras.

Gruden is Ditka 2.0. I would take Johnson, Glenn, Brady, and Glenn over Gruden because in 2025 they are all more likely to succeed than a guy that has not been a winner since the 2000s.

You can’t prove Gruden is at this moment a better candidate than any of those guys. You believe, but can prove it.

The only reason Loomis would hire him is because they are from the same generation and he won’t have to do a real rebuild with Chucky who would keep shooting for mediocrity, just like he did in Tampa and the second time with the Raiders.

Omg I need ranch dressing to read that.

 

[Rexman100]

I think a lot of this is an overreaction to DA sucking. He was mild and not a real leader so people are insisting on the extreme opposite with a yeller and/or hype man like Gruden and/or Rizzi.

Possible, I can see that angle. But wouldn’t you agree that we’re a team full of scrubs, without any $ to get much better? We require a Jim Mora like approach to rebuilding. Discipline and accountability with the idea of getting more from less.

 

[St. Widge]

Some of you guys are really over thinking this... We are stuck with Carr for one more year... Neither Carr nor Gruden are the future of the team... If we are unable to land a young offensive HC that will blow this up after next season...

The the next best thing is to hire the only HC that has ever made Carr look like a top 5 QB... so that we can get all we can out of him before we dump him after next year.

I'm okay with Gruden as a "bridge HC" for a year or 2 so we can get the most out of Carr... And so we have a real football man in the building to get this tear down and rebuild started... and potentially get us to the next HC if we can't land the one we need this offseason.

I don't understand how you can be all in on Rattler as the future but want to hire Gruden who is going to stick with Carr and might tell Loomis to extend him.