To Brett Kollman Foskey is a tier 3 edge rusher (1 Viewer)

[Igordão]

 

[Igordão]

Breese is also tier 3

 

[Swampy Saint]

He’s Drunk

 

[BooBirdSaint]

Cam Jordan - Overview
Jordan is one of the higher-probability, game-ready prospects in this class. He's an ideal fit as a 3-4 defensive end but could also serve as a strongside DE in a four-man front. Really a good fit for any team that stresses gap integrity. Has good strength at the point of attack, plays with sound positioning, locates the ball carrier, gets off blocks and uses his good quickness and agility against the run. Not a big-time pass rushing talent by any means, but still has some good power moves. Jordan has the skill set to come off the board pretty quickly...

IDK but none of these dudes really know the future.

 

[UptownSaintsFan]

ok

 

[saintmike23]

He’s wrong about Bresee. I was also not high on Bresee because of his challenges, but he has elite tools.

Foskey really just needs to be more creative. Foskey had a bad game vs Ohio state’s two NFL caliber tackles. He doesn’t have elite bend to challenge them on the outside and he doesn’t have elite power also. He’s going to take some time to develop more moves and also his physicality.

 

[saintmike23]

Cam Jordan - Overview
Jordan is one of the higher-probability, game-ready prospects in this class. He's an ideal fit as a 3-4 defensive end but could also serve as a strongside DE in a four-man front. Really a good fit for any team that stresses gap integrity. Has good strength at the point of attack, plays with sound positioning, locates the ball carrier, gets off blocks and uses his good quickness and agility against the run. Not a big-time pass rushing talent by any means, but still has some good power moves. Jordan has the skill set to come off the board pretty quickly...

IDK but none of these dudes really know the future.

How many more sacks would Cam have if linemen weren’t allowed to chokehold him on his way to the QB?

Cam won early and often without having a typical speed rusher profile.

 

[BooBirdSaint]

How many more sacks would Cam have if linemen weren’t allowed to chokehold him on his way to the QB?

Cam won early and often without having a typical speed rusher profile.

Amen Brother.

 

[Belfast Saint]

I think it's important to remember that unaffiliated scouts have their own lens. Thus for any prospect you'll get a range of opinions because they all have their own biases, areas of emphasis and view of what 'good' looks like. That's why opinions can vary greatly.

Our scouts have a lens which at the very least is attuned to a set of criteria about what is important for us. Our scouts also have far greater time and resources available to assess prospects.

This does not mean unaffiliated scouts can't be right or that our scouts can't be wrong.

I watched Kollman's reviews and they are informative opinions from which he makes money. I'm glad he and others provide this content as it's interesting and provides a short cut to get a bit more information on so many, many prospects.

His two biggest negative points about these players was that Bresee was absolutely atrocious in stopping the run (feel free to read multiple scouting reports, watch film to see if this was a consistent theme) and Foskey doesn't have enough bend, evidenced by 7.28 3 cone, to be anything more than a complementary guy good for 6-8 sacks per season (again, you can formulate your own view on how true that is).

 

[Igordão]

I think it's important to remember that unaffiliated scouts have their own lens. Thus for any prospect you'll get a range of opinions because they all have their own biases, areas of emphasis and view of what 'good' looks like. That's why opinions can vary greatly.

Our scouts have a lens which at the very least is attuned to a set of criteria about what is important for us. Our scouts also have far greater time and resources available to assess prospects.

This does not mean unaffiliated scouts can't be right or that our scouts can't be wrong.

I watched Kollman's reviews and they are informative opinions from which he makes money. I'm glad he and others provide this content as it's interesting and provides a short cut to get a bit more information on so many, many prospects.

His two biggest negative points about these players was that Bresee was absolutely atrocious in stopping the run (feel free to read multiple scouting reports, watch film to see if this was a consistent theme) and Foskey doesn't have enough bend, evidenced by 7.28 3 cone, to be anything more than a complementary guy good for 6-8 sacks per season (again, you can formulate your own view on how true that is).

Yeah, I don't fully agree with him, but it is a informed opinion that I think can be take into account and discussed.

 

[Belfast Saint]

Yeah, I don't fully agree with him, but it is a informed opinion that I think can be take into account and discussed.

I agree, it is an informed opinion which can be taken into account and discussed. I think part of that discussion should be understanding the limitations of a scouting view detached from a specific scheme or set of criteria, and one formulated across every position and every prospect by a single scout in a set timeframe, rather than a team of scouts with specialisms, greater access and more time.

 

[rlemieux]

Cam Jordan - Overview
Jordan is one of the higher-probability, game-ready prospects in this class. He's an ideal fit as a 3-4 defensive end but could also serve as a strongside DE in a four-man front. Really a good fit for any team that stresses gap integrity. Has good strength at the point of attack, plays with sound positioning, locates the ball carrier, gets off blocks and uses his good quickness and agility against the run. Not a big-time pass rushing talent by any means, but still has some good power moves. Jordan has the skill set to come off the board pretty quickly...

IDK but none of these dudes really know the future.

In his defense Cam was an ascending player. In 4 years at Cal he only had 16.5 sacks. Having a career high 6 his junior year. He was very highly ranked coming out but a lot of people tabbed him as a 3-4 DE that could basically do it all. His strength was his run defense but to his credit he’s become one of the better all around DE in football.

 

[Jesse Custer]

Brett doesn't look at scheme fit like his partner EJ on the Bootleg Football podcast does. EJ looks at the picks of Bresee and Foskey being perfect for the defensive system we have here.

 

[rsmith2783]

Cam Jordan - Overview
Jordan is one of the higher-probability, game-ready prospects in this class. He's an ideal fit as a 3-4 defensive end but could also serve as a strongside DE in a four-man front. Really a good fit for any team that stresses gap integrity. Has good strength at the point of attack, plays with sound positioning, locates the ball carrier, gets off blocks and uses his good quickness and agility against the run. Not a big-time pass rushing talent by any means, but still has some good power moves. Jordan has the skill set to come off the board pretty quickly...

IDK but none of these dudes really know the future.

I don't know who wrote this but Cam wasn't known as a pass rusher coming out, or early on with the Saints. After we let JG go, that's when he switched sides, worked on his pass rushing skills more and became the Cam that we know and love.

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

How many more sacks would Cam have if linemen weren’t allowed to chokehold him on his way to the QB?

Cam won early and often without having a typical speed rusher profile.

He gets the Will Smith treatment.