To Brett Kollman Foskey is a tier 3 edge rusher (1 Viewer)

[DerrickB]

Kollman informed? Isn't he basically a blogger. Does he have any scouting or related experience?

What's wrong with being a blogger?

 

[Belfast Saint]

Foskey has future Robin potential.
Payton Turner has future Batman potential and
Cam is still Batman

My own view is that on the balance of probabilities, he's going to be closer to a Robin, 6-8 sacks a year guy. Probably the two best physical comps are Davenport and Clowney, and both are in that Robin category. Neither ever reached double digit sack totals, though came close a few times. Different athletic profile but Will Smith was in that same category and also had a higher 3 cone. If Foskey is a consistent, dependable and available edge getting 6-8 sacks per year this is a win. Time will tell. I suppose I have some optimism for potentially greater output because he did better than that in college. It's a different animal with a real variance in terms of quality of opponents, but without spending days reviewing film and understanding why, I'll just say it's possible he could do slightly better.










Also, a list of 3 cone drills from a slightly random list of edge rushers with a 9+ RAS score:

 

[State Of Affairs]

Yeah, but he dedicates himself to this. He has knowledge. More than most people on this board.

I have no idea if this guy knows anything but specifically on being a blogger, I dedicate myself to being a basketball player but it doesn’t mean I know what I’m doing.

If you’re decently articulate, have a general understanding of the game and know the catch phrases, it’s easy to fool the general public.

Hell, now you can pay to go to an online school and while they teach you what everything mean and what to look for, more importantly, you learn all the catch phrases and terminology…

There is no substitute for actually doing the job… he’s a blogger that knows football, not an actual scout.

 

[DerrickB]

I have no idea if this guy knows anything but specifically on being a blogger, I dedicate myself to being a basketball player but it doesn’t mean I know what I’m doing.

If you’re decently articulate, have a general understanding of the game and know the catch phrases, it’s easy to fool the general public.

Hell, now you can pay to go to an online school and while they teach you what everything mean and what to look for, more importantly, you learn all the catch phrases and terminology…

There is no substitute for actually doing the job… he’s a blogger that knows football, not an actual scout.

Disagree respectfully,
Scouts can be wrong too.
In regards to online education, the same can apply to traditional schooling.

 

[stadanko]

Welcome to draft grade season. Where we decide an analyst we've been hyping up for years doesn't know anything based off of one take(Kollman) and a corporate, click bait troll is simply misunderstood(Simms).

 

[Jesse Custer]

Not to mention Kollmann was recently hired by the Chargers.

 

[Igordão]

I guess if Brett says it, it must be gospel.

Let's see how it play out on field. I blog as well but I don't get to what tiers prospect are in because anybody can pop if they have the right coaching.

Who said it must be gospel? I think is can and should be discussed why he is wrong (or why he is right) or I would not have even posted. But most people here are very defensive when it comes to criticism to saints picks.

 

[DerrickB]

Who said it must be gospel?

Because a lot of treat it that way sometimes. But that's how I see it though.

 

[B4YOU]

Brett Kolan is a tier 3 talent evaluator.

He can breakdown plays and explain why teams succeed or fail. But talent eval is a wholly different skill.

 

[guillermo]

We also have to consider what was available during the draft.

I really don't have an informative opinion about both prospects, but since Friday I have been thinking what will the saints have done if the bengals went on a different direction on the first round.

- Would the saints have gone the combo of Myles Murphy/Keeanu Benton instead?

They may have taken Murphy ahead of Bresee. but I Benton is a totally different player than Bresee, they may have gone TE instead.

I think an interesting question is why they favour Foskey over Keion White.

 

[guillermo]

Foskey has future Robin potential.
Payton Turner has future Batman potential and
Cam is still Batman

I just hope young Batman learns how to use his toys better this season.

And Michael Keaton Batman finds a way to fight crime at the same level.

 

[44slayer]

Foskey has future Robin potential.
Payton Turner has future Batman potential and
Cam is still Batman

Actually clarifying, are you serious about Turner?

Turner wouldnt be on this team right now if he wasnt a 1st round pick. Year 3 is the end of the 1st round pick grace period. If he doesnt show up in TC, I can see them trying to trade him, or release him. He has shown nothing. He cant even wear a uniform on gamedays most of the time even if healthy. Theres no batman in that dude. Id take Granderson all day, every day over Turner.

Turner does have 3 more sacks the last 2 years than Adam West. But in fairness to West, he has been dead 6 years.

 

[State Of Affairs]

Disagree respectfully,
Scouts can be wrong too.
In regards to online education, the same can apply to traditional schooling.

I appreciate what you’re saying, everyone can be wrong but that suggesting that if me and a professional stock trader get it wrong that we’re the same… Real scouts don’t go to school… they’re brought up thru the ranks, around professional evaluators. I worked with a professional scout for years and there are layers no one even considers…

I don’t consider myself a scout but I realize that ranking players 1 thru 100 isn’t show professionals do it… and none of them paid $1200 to become scouts…

 

[guillermo]

Actually clarifying, are you serious about Turner?

I let Elias to answer, but as I understand it, he is writing about the positions they play, not the quality of the players.

So Turner should inherit Jordan's position, as the primary pass rusher, and Foskey should play on the opposite side.

 

[DerrickB]

I appreciate what you’re saying, everyone can be wrong but that suggesting that if me and a professional stock trader get it wrong that we’re the same… Real scouts don’t go to school… they’re brought up thru the ranks, around professional evaluators. I worked with a professional scout for years and there are layers no one even considers…

I don’t consider myself a scout but I realize that ranking players 1 thru 100 isn’t show professionals do it… and none of them paid $1200 to become scouts…

All good man
I'll stay in my lane