N/S Tom Pelissero:Rams Give Matthew Stafford Permission to Speak with Other Teams (25 Viewers)

[DCSaints_Fan]

This hurts us because Carr's trade value goes down. Any slight chance that we had to trade him just decreased significantly. Which QB would you rather trade for if you were the Jets, Giants, Raiders, etc?

Its hard to go down from zero

 

[Elvis]

We have him under contract, and he’ll cost more to cut him than keep him.

I hate that this keeps getting repeated because it's not remotely true. He costs $40m to keep and $10m to cut. What you're talking about it his cap hit which is from prior years payments that we kicked the can on. Even then, we save $1.3m to cut him outright this year. If we keep his $40m in new money we'll kick that again and have to pay for it next year or the following year. So it's NOT cheaper and continues the pattern of kicking the can to "compete" following the worst Saints season since 2005, twenty years ago.

We do have players that would cost more to cut than keep, which is every single player with their number in the red on the following chart. Notice that Derek Carr is not in red.

 

[DCSaints_Fan]

So the Giants give up their top pick for Stafford, then the Rams give us a 7th for Carr and we give them back 2 2nd rounders if they take Loomis with him for giving this contract to Carr but even way worse, giving DA 3 years.

Deal?

If we trade Carr it doesn't help our cap situation, there's no point in giving a team additional draft capital

 

[StudioSaint]

I hate that this keeps getting repeated because it's not remotely true.

It would cost less cap space this year and maybe a few more to restructure Carr, than it would to cut him. These are the options the Saints have:

Keep Carr with no restructure.
Keep Carr with a restructure.
Cut Carr with no restructure.
Cut Carr after a restructure.

Moore is going to tell Loomis if he wants Carr as his starter or not. Loomis will then make what Moore wants happen in the best way for the team regarding the cap.

If Moore wants Carr as his starter and Carr wants to be the starter, then it's most likely that Loomis and Carr's agent will rework his contract to be more cap friendly to the team.

 

[Rexman100]

I hate that this keeps getting repeated because it's not remotely true. He costs $40m to keep and $10m to cut. What you're talking about it his cap hit which is from prior years payments that we kicked the can on. Even then, we save $1.3m to cut him outright this year. If we keep his $40m in new money we'll kick that again and have to pay for it next year or the following year. So it's NOT cheaper and continues the pattern of kicking the can to "compete" following the worst Saints season since 2005, twenty years ago.

We do have players that would cost more to cut than keep, which is every single player with their number in the red on the following chart. Notice that Derek Carr is not in red.

I knew when I wrote that you’d comment with this. Is he on the team? YES. Did we kick the can with Carr? Yes. Is he sort of contractually wrapped with the Saints? Yes. Solution. Play the man and ignore the fans that are just upset that we didn’t win the Super Bowl every year.

 

[Rexman100]

I knew when I wrote that you’d comment with this. If we cut him do we have to pay him? Yes. Therefore keep him.

 

[Elvis]

I knew when I wrote that you’d comment with this. Is he on the team? YES. Did we kick the can with Carr? Yes. Is he sort of contractually wrapped with the Saints? Yes. Solution. Play the man and ignore the fans that are just upset that we didn’t win the Super Bowl every year.

Cool story bro. But nothing you just said addressed any of the problems with your previous post, the primary one being that "he’ll cost more to cut him than keep him" which will make people who only casually follow the numbers believe that what you said is true. It's not true and you know it's not true. If you just want to keep Carr, that's an argument I can accept. One relying on falsehoods I feel the need to correct.

 

[Merl]

I could see him going to the niners and them winning a super bowl?

I don’t think they are ready to move off of Purdue yet. They still have one more “cheap” year left with him ($5.2) cap hit.

 

[RaginCajun83]

I don’t think they are ready to move off of Purdue yet. They still have one more “cheap” year left with him ($5.2) cap hit.

Plus they’re rivals, that would be like the Saints trading a player to the Falcons

 

[solarbear88]

I imagine Stafford would rather get run over by a snow plow than come here.

 

[StudioSaint]

Cool story bro. But nothing you just said addressed any of the problems with your previous post, the primary one being that "he’ll cost more to cut him than keep him" which will make people who only casually follow the numbers believe that what you said is true. It's not true and you know it's not true. If you just want to keep Carr, that's an argument I can accept. One relying on falsehoods I feel the need to correct.

The story being told here is not the whole story. Keeping Carr and reworking his contract provides more cap relief for at least the next 2 seasons than cutting him does. That's the whole truth and the complete truth.