Trans athletes make great gains, yet resentment still flares (1 Viewer)

[bigdaddysaints]

This is exhausting. If you have a vajayjay, you are a girl. If you have a pee pee, you are a boy.

There. I've solved life's great mystery using very adulty language.

so what do you tell someone who was born with both?

I was just making fun of the earlier argument on this thread about what a fully functioning penis is and then people started watching you tube videos which I haven't searched for yet.

i am not sure you answered my question about what specifically constitutes a fully functioning penis.. maybe i missed it.

 

[Madmarsha]

so what do you tell someone who was born with both?

Why would I tell them anytthing?

i am not sure you answered my question about what specifically constitutes a fully functioning penis.. maybe i missed it.

You're right, I am sure I didn't answer that question. We have gone over this. YOU started the merry go round on the phrase "fully functioning penis" and won't define it. If you do that, then I'll hop on.

 

[Madmarsha]

how many have you talked to? so this is fact or is this you assumption?

I think I have enough evidence from this thread alone.

to be clear, i have no problem with not allowing trans in female sports.

Good. So you're just on this merry go round for the disequilbrium?

 

[bigdaddysaints]

Why would I tell them anytthing?


You're right, I am sure I didn't answer that question. We have gone over this. YOU started the merry go round on the phrase "fully functioning penis" and won't define it. If you do that, then I'll hop on.

but you keep bringin it up..

but i would define it has it gets erect for sex and you can stand up to pee..

 

[Brennan77]

No, i think it speaks to the point that many have made on this thread that the whole thing is blown completely out of proportion

I don't think so. It's not about the sports in my opinion. It's about our understanding of the human person. The sports issue serves as a visible manifestation of a larger idea which is why it's something of a flash point.

 

[Dago]

not at all. but why ignore them?

I haven't been the one ignoring how the women who actually deal with this feel

 

[Madmarsha]

but i would define it has it gets erect for sex and you can stand up to pee..

I'll accept that premise.

From the Mayo clinic: "Phalloplasty carries a high rate of complications. It could require many follow-up surgeries. Depending on the procedure, recovery might take up to 12 weeks. The new penis will not become erect with sexual stimulation. A penile implant is needed to allow penetrative sex."

Masculinizing surgery - Mayo Clinic

www.mayoclinic.org

So any assumption that bottom surgery, phalloplasty, gives a FTM trans person our now defined "fully functional penis" is a fallacy.



As far as standing up to pee, I mean, technically a woman can stand up to pee, we just can't direct it.

 

[Madmarsha]

I don't think so. It's not about the sports in my opinion. It's about our understanding of the human person. The sports issue serves as a visible manifestation of a larger idea which is why it's something of a flash point.

But I am trying to KISS. I know I wouldn't be talking about this issue at all in this thread if it wasn't for sport. I am not trying to complicate it by talking about how a trans person lives outside of the world of sports. Some people keep trying to bring it in just to keep making it more and more complicated and, again, I'm not getting on that merry go round.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

I'll accept that premise.

From the Mayo clinic: "Phalloplasty carries a high rate of complications. It could require many follow-up surgeries. Depending on the procedure, recovery might take up to 12 weeks. The new penis will not become erect with sexual stimulation. A penile implant is needed to allow penetrative sex."

Masculinizing surgery - Mayo Clinic

www.mayoclinic.org

So any assumption that bottom surgery, phalloplasty, gives a FTM trans person our now defined "fully functional penis" is a fallacy.



As far as standing up to pee, I mean, technically a woman can stand up to pee, we just can't direct it.

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Metoidioplasty is a gender affirming, lower body (bottom) surgery. The procedure creates a penis about 4 to 6 centimeters long using the clitoris, which may be enlarged by hormone therapy. The surgery can be completed in stages, each performed a few months apart, depending on the patient’s objectives.

Metoidioplasty: What Happens​

The first step is enlarging the clitoris with a year (or more) of hormonal therapy with testosterone.
Once the clitoris is enlarged, the surgeon performs a procedure to cut the ligaments that surround the clitoris to free it from the pubic bone.

The released clitoris is used to create a penis that can become erect without the need of a penile implant.
Surgeons connect the urethra (the passageway through which urine leaves the body) so the patient can urinate while standing. The urethra may be lengthened using local tissues or grafted tissue from elsewhere.

A scrotum (the sac that holds the testicles) can be formed using skin from the outer labia (the vulva’s outer lips).

Three to six months after creating the penis:
fatty tissue near the penis can be removed to enhance the appearance of length, in some cases.

Metoidioplasty for Gender Affirming Care

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

(sorry for this post looking so janky with the quotes, i had to do it from my phone since i didn't really want to pull this website up on my work computer..)

 

[kcirdor]

Seemingly the post that restarted this thread yesterday was taken down
But that’s where I’d start (but I don’t think it ends there)

But if you think media et al is reporting this at the appropriate level and aren’t using it as a distraction from other news, you’re obviously free to

Im down for a good media conspiracy, Alex. I dont watch main stream media, i watch Breaking Points. Can you dm me the link you are referring too?

 

[Madmarsha]

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Metoidioplasty: What Happens​

Metoidioplasty for Gender Affirming Care

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

Okay, getting off the merry go round again. Not relevant to this discussion in the first place and not relevant to this discussion in the second place because very, very, very, very, I mean, VERY few bottom surgeries are performed. I keep trying to find accurate percentages for FTM but they simply don't exist.

So, for the sake of the sports argument, the assumption is that most of the transathletes are only taking hormones and have not had the bottom surgery so they remain as intact below the belly button as they day they were born.

 

[Madmarsha]

https://www.

hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/metoidioplasty-for-gender-affirming-care


(sorry for this post looking so janky with the quotes, i had to do it from my phone since i didn't really want to pull this website up on my work computer..)

Does your employer have something against world-renowned Johns Hopkins Medicine?

 

[bigdaddysaints]

Does your employer have something against world-renowned Johns Hopkins Medicine?

cmon, seriously?
I work at Mosaic, you are more than welcome to ask them what line they draw on topics of Google searches and firing people..
i'll take the "I don't wanna test the waters route and keep my job.."

 

[bigdaddysaints]

the topic was brought up, not by me, what defines a woman. so i asked if a woman had the surgery did it still make her a woman..
then it went in this direction.. but whtever.. next time i see you in a thread posting off topic than the exact thread title, i'l make sure to ask you that question..
there isn't a poster on this site who doesn't fork from the exact topic of the post at some point.. but ok...

 

[kcirdor]

I literally asked to be provided a link and you start spouting nonsense that has nothing to do with what i asked. Calm your tits.