Triplett says Saints Interest in Chris "Beanie" Wells is "Bona Fide" (3 Viewers)

[diat150]

Yes, I am quite sure that's exactly what I have done the last few months--offer faulty logic that is only faulty in the mind of those who are against the choice of Wells and then buttress those arguments with highlight videos of Chris Wells. In fact, I have not written any single logical argument in defense of drafting Wells; instead, I use videos to explain why he would be a great pick if the team chose to go in that direction. As a matter of fact, I am looking for a new video right now just to continue to make the case for Wells. By the way, Danchrism, your insight is so deeply appreciated. I always look for your posts because I know that I will be left in awe of your sound football acumen; you, my friend, truly get it. I am quite sure it is your deepening insight that made you such an exceptional student at Morehouse. Oh, I might want to tread lightly since you're a moderator NOW. :1zhelp:

at least he isnt guilty of historical revisionism.

 

[REALCHRISM]

no, it is a reinvention. you said that we ran out the clock rushing deuce, let me show you again:



just admit you made a mistake.

what I find funny is that you mention how we were able to drive down the field due to the versatility of deuce and reggie, but yet want to draft a one dimensional player to replace the "deuce" in our offense instead of using the multi dimensional thomas that has shown nothing but upside and versatility in this offense. it just doesnt compute.

Okay, I made a mistake. Does that make you happy even if it does not strenghten your argument against drafting Wells?

Wells is not one-dimensional. Just because you're not asked to catch the ball much does not mean that you cannot catch the ball. He looked very good according to a number of scouts catching the ball during his pro day workout. Adrian Peterson caught 24 passes in his career at Oklahoma. I guess we would not want him either. Tomlinson only caught 10 passes his senior season for a whopping 40 yards. I cannot believe he has caught 510 in the NFL seeing as though he, too, was considered one-dimensional.

Pierre is a good back. Has he PROVEN he can stay healthy when asked to shoulder the load? Ah, yes, moving right along.

 

[saintmike23]

Yes, I am quite sure that's exactly what I have done the last few months--offer faulty logic that is only faulty in the mind of those who are against the choice of Wells and then buttress those arguments with highlight videos of Chris Wells. In fact, I have not written any single logical argument in defense of drafting Wells; instead, I use videos to explain why he would be a great pick if the team chose to go in that direction. As a matter of fact, I am looking for a new video right now just to continue to make the case for Wells. By the way, Danchrism, your insight is so deeply appreciated. I always look for your posts because I know that I will be left in awe of your sound football acumen; you, my friend, truly get it. I am quite sure it is your deepening insight that made you such an exceptional student at Morehouse. Oh, I might want to tread lightly since you're a moderator NOW. :1zhelp:

No your arguments are not logical and I showed you why. Wells may be ranked high　in your scouting department but his value to the Saints is very low. He will not improve the team enough to　add to our winning pct.

 

[REALCHRISM]

Here's the funny thing. The Saints have a very strong possibility of drafting Chris Wells whether you like it or not. Like me, you better hope that Malcolm Jenkins is there when we pick and we decide to go with him. If not, and we take Wells, your beef won't be with me. While I have made the case for Wells, I do not make the picks for the Saints. So your beef will be with the Saints. Have you thought about what you're going to tell Mickey Loomis and Sean Payton? Ah, yes, moving right along.

 

[REALCHRISM]

No your arguments are not logical and I showed you why. Wells may be ranked high　in your scouting department but his value to the Saints is very low. He will not improve the team enough to　add to our winning pct.

Okay, if you say so kiddo. And if the Saints take him, then his very low value to the Saints will mean that they like taking players with low value who do not improve the team enough to add to its winning percentage. Again, better get that memo to Loomis and Payton quickly so that they can stop considering Wells with the #14 pick.

See, now this Wells thing has gotten to the point of drollery. I really wish Jenkins is there. But part of me now wishes that he is not just to see faces around drop if and when the Saints do the illogical thing of drafting Chris "It's only about your name that makes you even liked" Wells.

 

[saintmike23]

Here's the funny thing. The Saints have a very strong possibility of drafting Chris Wells whether you like it or not. Like me, you better hope that Malcolm Jenkins is there when we pick and we decide to go with him. If not, and we take Wells, your beef won't be with me. While I have made the case for Wells, I do not make the picks for the Saints. So your beef will be with the Saints. Have you thought about what you're going to tell Mickey Loomis and Sean Payton? Ah, yes, moving right along.

Payton is a smart guy. He made his mistake with Meachem in 2007. They took a trip to LA last week and they like the LB prospects. They wont take Wells. Even if Maclin fell they wouldnt take him they would try to trade. OF course I am playing GM again.

 

[diat150]

Okay, I made a mistake.

Wells is not one-dimensional. Just because you're not asked to catch the ball much does not mean that you cannot catch the ball. He looked very good according to a number of scouts catching the ball during his pro day workout. Adrian Peterson caught 24 passes in his career at Oklahoma. I guess we would not want him either. Tomlinson only caught 10 passes his senior season for a whopping 40 yards. I cannot believe he has caught 510 in the NFL seeing as though he, too, was considered one-dimensional.

Pierre is a good back. Has he PROVEN he can stay healthy when asked to shoulder the load? Ah, yes, moving right along.

well, the thing is you are trying to compare wells to deuce as far as versatility goes. yeah he may not be completely horrible at catching the ball but deuce was lauded as a faulk type back and some pundits even went so far as to say that deuce had the ability to be a starting wr in the league. thats where the problem is. do you really believe wells will bring that versatility? compared to thomas who has shown that he can easily catch 40-50 balls (possibly more) a year in this offense....

You want to talk about injuries? beanie wells has been beat up alot. thomas has been beat up a little bit. thats the nature of the position. the issue is that on the defensive side of the ball we have no depth. who is our depth at safety if someone gets injured? who is our depth at lb if someone gets injured? how about DT? thats not to mention the 4-5 starters on defense that we could really use an upgrade. we just dont need to spend so much at the rb position, especially when you consider the production we got out of stecker when he started a few games and also thomas as a starter. there are plenty of guys that can step in this offense and put up decent numbers in a crunch. that isnt going to happen on the defensive side of the ball.

 

[Danchrism]

Yes, I am quite sure that's exactly what I have done the last few months--offer faulty logic that is only faulty in the mind of those who are against the choice of Wells and then buttress those arguments with highlight videos of Chris Wells. In fact, I have not written any single logical argument in defense of drafting Wells; instead, I use videos to explain why he would be a great pick if the team chose to go in that direction. As a matter of fact, I am looking for a new video right now just to continue to make the case for Wells. By the way, Danchrism, your insight is so deeply appreciated. I always look for your posts because I know that I will be left in awe of your sound football acumen; you, my friend, truly get it. I am quite sure it is your deepening insight that made you such an exceptional student at Morehouse. Oh, I might want to tread lightly since you're a moderator NOW. :1zhelp:

What do they say about hit dogs?

And, I'm going to drop rank for a moment, completely ignore the attempt at a personal attack on me (and ask that every other moderator do the same), and remind you (you know, since we discussed this before via PMs) that my grandmother's first bout with breast cancer is the reason I left Morehouse. Frankly, I'm appalled you went there, not only as a Morehouse brother but then also just as a person.

Carry on.

 

[REALCHRISM]

Payton is a smart guy. He made his mistake with Meachem in 2007. They took a trip to LA last week and they like the LB prospects. They wont take Wells. Even if Maclin fell they wouldnt take him they would try to trade. OF course I am playing GM again.

Okay. Then there is nothing left to say as I have said in previous posts...err, threads.

well, the thing is you are trying to compare wells to deuce as far as versatility goes. yeah he may not be completely horrible at catching the ball but deuce was lauded as a faulk type back and some pundits even went so far as to say that deuce had the ability to be a starting wr in the league. thats where the problem is. do you really believe wells will bring that versatility? compared to thomas who has shown that he can easily catch 40-50 balls (possibly more) a year in this offense....

You want to talk about injuries? beanie wells has been beat up alot. thomas has been beat up a little bit. thats the nature of the position. the issue is that on the defensive side of the ball we have no depth. who is our depth at safety if someone gets injured? who is our depth at lb if someone gets injured? how about DT? thats not to mention the 4-5 starters on defense that we could really use an upgrade. we just dont need to spend so much at the rb position, especially when you consider the production we got out of stecker when he started a few games and also thomas as a starter. there are plenty of guys that can step in this offense and put up decent numbers in a crunch. that isnt going to happen on the defensive side of the ball.

No question, Deuce was a very versatile back coming out of Ole Miss who was considered to have some of the best hands in the entire drafting class. Deuce is much more advanced in that regard than Wells and most backs coming into the league not named Reggie Bush. At the same time, that does not mean that Wells cannot be a guy who can catch 30 balls in your offense as Deuce did in 2006. I think you are in agreement with me that Bush will get the bulk of the receptions of any back in our offense barring injury. So that's about 80 to 100 balls. I am also sure that Pierre Thomas will catch a lot of passes as well. As long as Wells is competent in the receiving game, he will catch passes as well. He does not have to be Reggie Bush just as Reggie Bush does not have to be Chris Wells or Pierre Thomas. You want guys who can catch. Gil Brandt, Todd McShay and several others said that Wells showed natural receiving ability at his pro day. Even if that's an exaggeration, it does suggest that Wells does not lack the versatility needed to succeed in our offensive scheme.

Beanie Wells has been injured. And he has played through those injuries. He's missed three games due to injury. Thomas has missed two and would have missed a third if we had to play a team the week after that game against Chicago his rookie season. Part of the reason for drafting another back, whether it is in the first or later, is to be able to keep your guys fresher. Wells and Thomas would both benefit from having each other on the team as would Reggie Bush in terms of staying healthy. The worst thing that can occur is that you lose a back and no longer have any viable option for running the football. Thomas, Bush, and Wells (if they choose to take him) would give us three viable options.

Safety? There is NO safety worst a first round pick in this draft. Now, that said, I am a huge fan of Malcolm Jenkins. He's my top choice in this draft. If he is there, he's a guy who offers versatility and can play safety for you. If he is not there, can you tell me what safety you draft in the first round?

DT? The Saints will not go this route in the first round. They are very committed to Sed Ellis at the 3-tech. With Raji expected to be off the board, the next best guy is Peria Jerry. I doubt you see that happen. Also, they do have some depth at DT right now.

LB? The position has depth. You have Shanle, Vilma, Fujita, Morgan, Mitchell, Dunbar, Evans, etc. What the position lacks, outside of Vilma and possibly Morgan depending on how he comes along, is impact talent. It's a steady group, not a spectacular group. They can stand an upgrade. The draft is very deep at LB despite being a weak draft overall. I think there is much better chance of getting a solid LB who can add depth to your club in the fourth round than there is the chance of getting the right sort of back to add to your offense. People clamor of Rashade Jennings, Andre Brown and Shonn Greene. But chance are those guys will all be gone when we select again in the fourth. Also, the Saints feel pleased with their LBs. Sure, they feel they could stand an upgrade. But if they had to go into the season with this group, they are more than comfortable doing so. In any other draft, linebackers without the surname of Curry or Maualuga are all second rounders. This year, however, you got those guys going in the first. Is Cushing at better prospect, for instance, than say, Paul Posluszney? Is Clay Matthews, Jr., a better prospect than, say, Demeco Ryans? I am not comparing the LB position they play as much as the overall talent/value of each player.

And here's the REALLY interesting thing. Again, as much as there is a call to upgrade the linebackers, the Saints are MORE inclined to addressing the secondary and defensive end in the first round than they are committed to taking a LB.

 

[REALCHRISM]

What do they say about hit dogs?

And, I'm going to drop rank for a moment, completely ignore the attempt at a personal attack on me (and ask that every other moderator do the same), and remind you (you know, since we discussed this before via PMs) that my grandmother's first bout with breast cancer is the reason I left Morehouse. Frankly, I'm appalled you went there, not only as a Morehouse brother but then also just as a person.

Carry on.

No, you went there several times with little snide remarks over the past year or so. I just chose to finally respond to you. Go back and check your posts. As well, I neither said anything about your grandmother in that post nor do I lack empathy for you in that regard. I felt your pain then just as I continue to do now. What I, however, have an issue with is a person who continues to make facetious statements while fully not expecting any rejoinders your way. In fact, I will go as far as to say it has been unnerving particularly since I remember discussing that situation with you and trying to reach out to you only to not be given any deference by you. I guess, as you said, it's because I am not cooler than you. The sarcasm of my comment was pointed at your great insight in regard to football and how that must have just made you an exceptional student at Morehouse. It was meant to be facetious. It, however, HAD NOTHING to do with your reason for leaving Morehouse due to your grandmother's untimely and unfortunate illness.

 

[Danchrism]

No, you went there several times with little snide remarks over the past year or so. I just chose to finally respond to you. Go back and check your posts. As well, I neither said anything about your grandmother in that post nor do I lack empathy for you in that regard. I felt your pain then just as I continue to do now. What I, however, have an issue with is a person who continues to make facetious statements while fully not expecting any rejoinders your way. In fact, I will go as far as to say it has been unnerving particularly since I remember discussing that situation with you and trying to reach out to you only to not be given any deference by you. I guess, as you said, it's because I am not cooler than you. The sarcasm of my comment was pointed at your great insight in regard to football and how that must have just made you an exceptional student at Morehouse. It was meant to be facetious. It, however, HAD NOTHING to do with your reason for leaving Morehouse due to your grandmother's untimely and unfortunate illness.

1) If you knew you never posted a highlight video to augment your point, why did you feel as though I was talking about you? If anything, I was AGREEING that the discourse of for/against Wells has gone full sphere at this point.
2) I don't mention my status as a moderator, you did. And whether you were being sarcastic or not, I do have a solid posting history around here. I just happen to not agree that Wells is the best selection for the Saints at 14. There have been good and bad posts on both sides of the spectrum; the loudest drum-bangers happen to be the bad-against side. Again, if you're solidly backing your points, you have nothing to worry about; this is how discourse takes place. If you're not solidly backing your points, they'll get eaten up... and you'll have to resort to highlight videos and rhetoric.
3) "Cooler?" Really? I remember that as being a joke we laughed about. No further discussion...
4) You're implying, via sarcasm, that my exceptional posts on a message board are indicative of my abilities in the classroom. Since you're actually intoning that my posts are not exceptional, the parallel suggests that my time as a student at Morehouse was not exceptional as well. Knowing the circumstances surrounding my leaving there, I would not have expected you to take it there - but you did, for reasons I can't understand.






99) Let's move this back to Beanie or no Beanie, if you want to discuss this any further, I have 200+ PMs available

 

[Det. Brees]

i believe we are set with our first round pick not being a cb or safety. either we take a LB or a RB with 14. If we dont do that we trade down. i think the coaches are happy with what we have in our secondary. we have made a lot of changes there and they are gonna see how those changes work out.

 

[AppleSaint]

Yippie

Another soft, injury-prone, baby

Just what we need

 

[SaintsFan7]

I look at the situation this way.

We have the most productive offense in the entire league. Is it because we have a good rushing attack? No. It's mainly because of Drew Brees and a nice mix of skill position players. Why draft a guy at number 14 when we don't even have a need for him. Bush and Thomas have the skills to get the job done on that side of the ball.

Defenses in the NFL these days are desigend to do two things.

A. Stop the run
B. Pressure the QB

The way to counter defenses is by having a QB who makes quick decisions, building an offensive line that can block, and having skill position players on the field who can catch and beat their man when in one on one situations.

The days of having a dominant running game are over in the NFL as most quality teams in the league can stop the run if they know its coming. You have got to be able to throw the ball and make big plays. We have that ability already. No need to invest a first round pick in a workhorse RB when our offense is designed to spread the ball around. We need playmakers on D. We need passrushers and guys in the secondary who can intercept passes.

Being able to run the ball when you have to does not mean your dominant it just means you have a balanced NFL style offense. Every Great Offense that has ever existed has been able to run the football when you have to.

The ground game may not be as featured in the NFL as in years past but many teams still have backs that rush for 1000 yards. The Saints have not had that in 2 years pretty ironic that was the last time they made the playoffs.

Nothing is 100% the Cardinals and Steelers made the Superbowl last year without a 1000 yard rusher on thier indivisual teams. But go back over the last 10 years and that trend does not hold up. More often than not you need to be able to run the football with some consistance to win in this league.

If the Saints feel like Wells can provide that stablity the by all means go for it. Go for the sure thing rather than the maybe or possiblity.

 

[money941]

Yippie

Another soft, injury-prone, baby

Just what we need

LOL @ someone being labeled injury prone and only missing 3 games in 3 years (2 of which were the coach's decision).