Triplett says Saints Interest in Chris "Beanie" Wells is "Bona Fide" (3 Viewers)

[saintmike23]

Wells would have a big impact. The Saints are already the one of the best ball control offenses in the NFL, but you can always improve. Sean Payton likes to compliment his passing game with a Big RB, and you will not see the balance people want to see until the Saints get a guy who can carry the ball 18-22 times a game and wear down defenses.

The drills are not football related. What is the point of the 40? These guys are football players, not track athletes. The bench press, there is a big difference between how strong you are under the bar and on the football field. The high jump, this is football, not basketball. The high jump might come into play for recievers, but not nearly as much as people believe. Another big thing, football players play in pads. They don't run around in spandex. And the biggest, why in the world would you judge a player on what he did in 3 days rather than what he did in 3 years? The NFL Combine is the most overrated and biggest waste of time event in the NFL. And if you ever run into NFL coaches or scouts, they will tell you the same. Just much more educated.

Who then? Cushing and Matthews are not worth the 14th pick. I've bene stating this for god knows how long. And most on this forum don't like either. Even though there are the people who have fallen in love just because of their combine numbers and measureables.

Lets put it this way, there are defensive players that could be taken. But none are that n word. Even though in the first you should look at BPA, not that n word.

Winning increases running success. We can't run the ball when we're down 10+ points in the third quarter. Beanie Wells won't touch the field if we can't stop opposing offenses. See JackDiesel's post below. Look at PT's numbers:

ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
In Win 77 453 5.9 31 5 13 134 10.3 24 1 1 1
In Loss 52 172 3.3 42 4 18 150 8.3 20 2 0 0

BY WINNING PT DIFF ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
Ahead by 9-16 10 68 6.8 31 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Ahead by 1-8 35 215 6.1 29 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
BY LOSING PT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
Behind by 1-8 16 105 6.6 42 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Behind by 9-16 32 93 2.9 14 3 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0

He performed best when we won. His average dropped significantly when we fell behind by 9-16 points.

So if the defense can give up fewer points then we'd have a better run/pass ratio and higher success running the ball.

Here's a breakdown by quarter of the points scored against the Saints in our loses last season. In all the games we lost last year we gave up the most points in the 2nd quarter, when our defense still should have been fresh.

1st quarter - 50 points
2nd quarter - 83 points
3rd quarter - 54 points
4th quarter - 50 points

From my assessment our defense was equally bad in all quarters, not just in the 4th when they should have been tired from being on the field all the time. In all but 1 of those loses our defense gave up more than 26 points, that's nothing short of pitiful.

 

[CantonLegend]

Just say no to Beanie Wells. Alot of his own fans throw the word around soft, when speaking about him. He was injury prone throughout college and the worst part about it is that he seemed to always be out for the big games. If he cant take the pounding in the Big 10, he is not going to be able to take it in the NFL. He is a very solid back, though.

the argument can definitly be made that he is injury prone....but the notion that he is "soft" is completely unjustified....after all....he was rested by his coach during "meaningless" games so that he could be healthy for the remainder of the season...in fact he came back while he was still nursing his injury and PLAYED the majority of his college career with injuries

he is definitly injury prone...but he is most definitly not soft

 

[TurkeyOTooley]

Well, you missed alot then.

Tell me, what has PT ever done against actual defenses?

And why is it that everytime he gets a high workload he becomes injured?

Chicago.

 

[Det. Brees]

when did he become a NO SHOW . he may not be what we need ,but he is the best rb in the draft

great Rb's and Qb's normally lead there team to victory....Ga had 2 "great players " at those to positions.


how did they do again...?


wells will be drafted and i hope to god we dont draft KM.

 

[brees#9]

moreno is the best rb in the draft

 

[Jiva]

Wells:6,1, 235, 4.52 (4.32 pro day?)

Stewart: 5'10, 235, 4.41

Mendenhall: 5'10, 225, 4.46

Maybe I missed it somewhere in this large post, but how does Beanie compare with last years big backs, Jonathan Stewart and Rashard Mendenhall? If they were in the same draft this year, how would they stack up?

 

[REALCHRISM]

Wells:6,1, 235, 4.52 (4.32 pro day?)

Stewart: 5'10, 235, 4.41

Mendenhall: 5'10, 225, 4.46

Maybe I missed it somewhere in this large post, but how does Beanie compare with last years big backs, Jonathan Stewart and Rashard Mendenhall? If they were in the same draft this year, how would they stack up?

If they are in this draft, I think the rankings would go Wells, Stewart, and then Mendenhall.

Also, Wells' pro day time was not a 4.32. It was closer to a 4.38, 4.39. He and Stewart are probably similar in speed. I think people should dismiss his 40 time at the combine. He did about 8 or 9 broad jumps before he ran his forties. Scott Wright has said that a lot of GMs and scouts believe this is the reason why he timed somewhat poorly especially since most were expecting him to run in the 4.4 range.

 

[AkA Zane]

I would not be opposed to taking Wells.

I'm sick of having to throw it on every down when we are behind. Whether it's 3 and 1 or 3 and 11, you already know we are throwing it if we get behind.

With a bigger back, maybe our defense can actually get a rest and be fresh for them 4th quarters.

Having a bigger back isn't going to do a thing for this team, we are not a running team.I cant believe people are talking offense when are already #1, is it not good enough for you people.Our defense gets plenty of rest because they always get burned by big plays.They are always fresh, they get lots of rest in the fourth especially qtr. since they like to give up 40yrd touchdowns.

 

[saintmike23]

If they are in this draft, I think the rankings would go Wells, Stewart, and then Mendenhall.

Also, Wells' pro day time was not a 4.32. It was closer to a 4.38, 4.39. He and Stewart are probably similar in speed. I think people should dismiss his 40 time at the combine. He did about 8 or 9 broad jumps before he ran his forties. Scott Wright has said that a lot of GMs and scouts believe this is the reason why he timed somewhat poorly especially since most were expecting him to run in the 4.4 range.

No way he runs a 4.3X Reggie ran a 4.33 on a fast USC track. Wells would get torched by Reggie. He runs a 4.5. Also he cannot make cuts when going fast.　He throttles down to change direction. He is not a slasher and he will struggle to hit the hole in the NFL.

 

[money941]

with bush pt and mike bell the saints dont need wells at 14

Dude we get it, you like Mike Bell for some reason, considering he was out of the league until the saints called him from off the street. Mike Bell is a 3rd/4th running back on this team at best, and a practice squad player if Beanie is the pick.

 

[REALCHRISM]

Having a bigger back isn't going to do a thing for this team, we are not a running team.I cant believe people are talking offense when are already #1, is it not good enough for you people.Our defense gets plenty of rest because they always get burned by big plays.They are always fresh, they get lots of rest in the fourth especially qtr. since they like to give up 40yrd touchdowns.

First, having a #1 offense means little if you cannot finish games.

Secondly, our front seven was pretty solid. The achilles heel of our defense has been the backside of our defense. The mere fact that you bring up some of the big plays that have happened affirms this point. We were beat over the top a lot the last three years. This offseason, we have some key pieces to both the front seven and back end of the defense. It does not mean that we cannot continue to upgrade the defense and I suspect the organization will make every effort to do so. But it should not be with just any defender for the sake of going defense. Some people want to see a LB taken. I doubt we see that happen. I think even with the additions to the secondary, we are more likely to see a guy like Jenkins taken than, say, Matthews or Cushing. The Saints have a steady, though unspectacular group of linebackers. If Dan Morgan stays healthy, you have a really great starting group off he and Vilma alone. Of course, you cannot rely upon that. But as much as we lack a superstar on the outside at linebacker, it has been more of our secondary that has caused problems. I think our front four has to generate more pressure. I do think Gregg Williams' scheme will help in that it is designed to attack the QB more. The players still have to make the plays. And that is the reason why you could even see the Saints take a DE if the right secondary player is not on the board. So, I think we ought to be very clear on what an upgrade might look like. It might follow along the same continuum as what we have already seen this team do this offseason to address our defensive woes. But I do not know why people are led to believe that if you do not take a defender in the first round you are ignoring the defense. Even more, I do not understand why taking a defender in the first round promises anything. You could take a defender and regress.

Last year, the Falcons did not do anything spectacular to address their defense. Neither did Carolina, whose defense had struggled in the season or two before last season. But they both beefed up their running game and ended up with the #11 and #12 ranked defenses, respectively. Atlanta's secondary was more porous than ours in terms of talent. Outside of John Abraham, and maybe Dominique Foxworth (who they got in a trade during the season), they really did not have any major impact players. But they were able to stay fresh and play sound defense. I think people underestimate just how good a strong running game can be for a defense. When it is the fourth quarter and your offense is not able to touch the football--LIKE THE EAGLES DID NOT DO IN THE LAST 9 MINUTES BACK IN 2006 BECAUSE WE RAN DEUCE UNTIL THE CLOCK RAN OUT--than it is very difficult to make those last minute, big plays over the top against our defense. And with improvement from having a Darren Sharper as opposed to Kevin Kaevishorn or Josh Bullocks, you should not see those big plays anyway.

 

[saintmike23]

First, having a #1 offense means little if you cannot finish games.

Secondly, our front seven was pretty solid. The achilles heel of our defense has been the backside of our defense. The mere fact that you bring up some of the big plays that have happened affirms this point. We were beat over the top a lot the last three years. This offseason, we have some key pieces to both the front seven and back end of the defense. It does not mean that we cannot continue to upgrade the defense and I suspect the organization will make every effort to do so. But it should not be with just any defender for the sake of going defense. Some people want to see a LB taken. I doubt we see that happen. I think even with the additions to the secondary, we are more likely to see a guy like Jenkins taken than, say, Matthews or Cushing. The Saints have a steady, though unspectacular group of linebackers. If Dan Morgan stays healthy, you have a really great starting group off he and Vilma alone. Of course, you cannot rely upon that. But as much as we lack a superstar on the outside at linebacker, it has been more of our secondary that has caused problems. I think our front four has to generate more pressure. I do think Gregg Williams' scheme will help in that it is designed to attack the QB more. The players still have to make the plays. And that is the reason why you could even see the Saints take a DE if the right secondary player is not on the board. So, I think we ought to be very clear on what an upgrade might look like. It might follow along the same continuum as what we have already seen this team do this offseason to address our defensive woes. But I do not know why people are led to believe that if you do not take a defender in the first round you are ignoring the defense. Even more, I do not understand why taking a defender in the first round promises anything. You could take a defender and regress.

Last year, the Falcons did not do anything spectacular to address their defense. Neither did Carolina, whose defense had struggled in the season or two before last season. But they both beefed up their running game and ended up with the #11 and #12 ranked defenses, respectively. Atlanta's secondary was more porous than ours in terms of talent. Outside of John Abraham, and maybe Dominique Foxworth (who they got in a trade during the season), they really did not have any major impact players. But they were able to stay fresh and play sound defense. I think people underestimate just how good a strong running game can be for a defense. When it is the fourth quarter and your offense is not able to touch the football--LIKE THE EAGLES DID NOT DO IN THE LAST 9 MINUTES BACK IN 2006 BECAUSE WE RAN DEUCE UNTIL THE CLOCK RAN OUT--than it is very difficult to make those last minute, big plays over the top against our defense. And with improvement from having a Darren Sharper as opposed to Kevin Kaevishorn or Josh Bullocks, you should not see those big plays anyway.

Winning increases running success. If the Saints are down 10 points in the third quarter then Wells will not be on the field.

How was the front seven a strength when we allowed 118 YPG rushing and got 28 sacks?

You cannot run the clock out if you do not have a lead. We allowed 84 points in the second quarter this year. How will Wells help the defense allow fewer points in the second quarter?

 

[natedog]

Having a bigger back isn't going to do a thing for this team, we are not a running team.I cant believe people are talking offense when are already #1, is it not good enough for you people.Our defense gets plenty of rest because they always get burned by big plays.They are always fresh, they get lots of rest in the fourth especially qtr. since they like to give up 40yrd touchdowns.

So you wouldn't take the 2002 Deuce if he was available to you?....you would take a defensive player regardless, just because he plays defense. I would rather have Jenkins, but I think someone moves in head of us to get him. If Wells is there at 14 I would take him over Mathews,Cushing,Davis,Jerry ( insert Defense player here that you have seen fall to 14 ).I haven't even watched the guy in college, but I just am not satisfied that PT/RB are ever going to make it through the season. Like another poster said let Bush and PT play more on special teams. One thing that I haven't seen addressed though is can Wells block?..........if he can't pick up a blitz then maybe we should go that route, at least at 14.

 

[money941]

One thing that I haven't seen addressed though is can Wells block?..........if he can't pick up a blitz then maybe we should go that route, at least at 14.

Wells can actually block/pick up the blitz pretty well. He's not perfect at it, but no rookie is and it can be teached at the NFL level and can be coached up to be even better at it. As I believe it was already discussed in this thread or one of the others, Wells doesn't have many receptions (mainly due in large part to Ohio St. not using their RB as receivers out of the backfield) so on passing situations they would leave him in as a blocker.

 

[diat150]

LIKE THE EAGLES DID NOT DO IN THE LAST 9 MINUTES BACK IN 2006 BECAUSE WE RAN DEUCE UNTIL THE CLOCK RAN OUT

we ran deuce twice on that drive, 1 run was a 3 yard run on first and 20 and the 2nd was a 5 yard run on 3rd and 5. Nobody wants to run the ball more than I do but lets not re-invent history to make a case to draft beanie wells.

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