Ukraine (20 Viewers)

[BigFrosty]

 

[efil4stnias]

ummm yeah lol- Venezuela under Maduro does whatever it wants. Obviously, Colombia will have something to say about it- hopefully.

Russia–Venezuela relations - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So much for hoping Colombia had some clout.

 

[DaveXA]

So much for hoping Colombia had some clout.

Why the heck would you have a layover in Venezuela of all places? The dumbarse who booked their travel needs to be put in prison and suffer whatever consequences these guys face.

 

[HoustonSaint68]

https://www.wsj.com/world/nuclear-weapons-always-stopped-invasions-then-ukrainian-troops-poured-into-russia-7c5ccea5

 

[DaveXA]

https://www.wsj.com/world/nuclear-weapons-always-stopped-invasions-then-ukrainian-troops-poured-into-russia-7c5ccea5

Yeah, but this isn't typical. If Russia uses nukes, they have a massive problem on their hands. One, fallout is either gonna hit Russia, or it's gonna hit NATO allies. Rest assured, if NATO is harmed by the fallout, then NATO is all in. If the fallout hits Russia, Poots is gonna pay the ultimate price when the Russians realize he's ultimately destroyed his own country. I mean, adversaries invading nuclear powers aren't typically next door neighbors.

 

[efil4stnias]

Russia just struck an orphanage in Sumy.

Add to the earlier ballistic missile attack on civilian sports complex/shopping mall in Kharkiv.

Not sure how much longer the West can sit idle and apply restrictions without some relations being damaged.

 

[nolaspe]

Russia just struck an orphanage in Sumy.

Add to the earlier ballistic missile attack on civilian sports complex/shopping mall in Kharkiv.

Not sure how much longer the West can sit idle and apply restrictions without some relations being damaged.

I hate ruzzia...

 

[HoustonSaint68]

Yeah, but this isn't typical. If Russia uses nukes, they have a massive problem on their hands. One, fallout is either gonna hit Russia, or it's gonna hit NATO allies. Rest assured, if NATO is harmed by the fallout, then NATO is all in. If the fallout hits Russia, Poots is gonna pay the ultimate price when the Russians realize he's ultimately destroyed his own country. I mean, adversaries invading nuclear powers aren't typically next door neighbors.

True. I posted the article more for what it addresses regarding the difficult and changing context for decision-makers trying to determine what Putin's red lines might be.

I get the frustration that people have about withheld support from Ukraine but a lot of this stuff has not been war-gamed before. And, given the potential thermonuclear consequence of a miscalculation, a lack of caution in considering Putin's possible reaction would be negligent.

 

[Sailorsaint]

True. I posted the article more for what it addresses regarding the difficult and changing context for decision-makers trying to determine what Putin's red lines might be.

I get the frustration that people have about withheld support from Ukraine but a lot of this stuff has not been war-gamed before. And, given the potential thermonuclear consequence of a miscalculation, a lack of caution in considering Putin's possible reaction would be negligent.

I think Russia knows that if they use nukes, it will be their downfall. Everyone, including China, will cut them off from everything. They think these sanctions are bad? If NATO didn’t decide to step in on this war, the economic blow back for Russia would be catastrophic. They would be alone except for NK and Iran. Even Hungary would have to shun them or risk the same fate.

 

[HoustonSaint68]

I think Russia knows that if they use nukes, it will be their downfall. Everyone, including China, will cut them off from everything. They think these sanctions are bad? If NATO didn’t decide to step in on this war, the economic blow back for Russia would be catastrophic. They would be alone except for NK and Iran. Even Hungary would have to shun them or risk the same fate.

I totally agree. But if an individual rules completely, as does Putin, and he thinks that he's going down, he could very well want to take the world down with him.

To be clear, I'm not advocating a particular position on the proper speed and level of support to Ukraine. I'm only suggesting that it's all too easy for folks who don't bear actual responsibility, and who don't have access to obtained intelligence and true expertise and advice, to sit in an armchair and say we should do this or that.

I, too, am frustrated with the slow and limited level of support for Ukraine. But I'm willing to trust the decision-makers who have such intelligence and expertise at their disposal -- especially in the absence of a personal political driver being the reason for holding back such support.

 

[rail]

I hate ruzzia...

There is no depth. No low for these sacks of shirt. I truly hate them. It sucks to say that, but I do. They contribute absolutely nothing positive to this planet. They bring all of civilized society down. Fork them.

 

[rail]

 

[Sailorsaint]

 

[BigFrosty]

Dracarys?

 

[DaveXA]

Dracarys?

What the hell was that? Are they bringing back napalm? Oof!

Dracarys indeed, lol.