Unfairness of BUST tags... (1 Viewer)

[Bishop]

Anyone who claims Sully is not a bust can meet me outside the bar to settle things!

No beef here. I hated to see Jonathan sully a Pats uni.

 

[Shawn]

He was never on the active roster. I've already covered that. There are two rosters. The 53 man roster, and the 45 man active roster. He was on the 53 because you can not put a 1st round draft pick on the PS. Someone will pick him up. He was reported to still be limping halfway through the season. He missed most of TC and only played limitedly in preseason. Its hard for a WR to win a starting job fullspeed, much less missing most of TC, limping halfway through the season, and not having a grasp for the offense that you can only get with 1st string reps during practice.

Payton said he is 100% and doing great. You can bet he'll be a big part of the offense this coming season.

You covered it incorrectly.

He was never active for a game. That's different. The point is that he could have been activated for a game and never was. Players on the practice squad and IR are not on the active roster. As are players that are PUP, etc. He didn't *have* to be on the active roster.

He did practice full speed during the second half of the season. Yet he still wasn't activated, even when (as I've already said) we had injuries to other recievers and were short handed at the position.

The surgery he had was minor surgery. It's something that only takes about a month to fully recover from. It would have been a simple thing to put the guy on IR but they never did.

We'll see what he does this year, but mostly people are making excuses for him and trying to explain away the fact that when he was healthy enough to play, Payton didn't feel he was good enough to even dress for a game.

 

['79 Saints]

A bust is anyone taken at in the 1st round -especially at the top of the draft, fails to live up to expectations, bounces around the league for a couple of years, and within 5 years of his drafting is out of football.

Meachem has a way to go before he can be catagorized that way.

Shaun Knight was a bust, Lawrence Phillps was a bust, Jonathan Sullivan was a bust, Ryan Leaf was a bust, Akili Smith was a bust...

David Carr is now following that path, with the prediction that he, too, will be out of the league within a couple of years.

 

[BigHossTheBoss]

Think about it like this, how many guys on this forum have been labeled a BUST by their bosses because they are on saintsreport all day

 

[RoadTrippin']

I certainly would not label Meach a bust, but I think that there is reason for concern anytime a 1st round draft pick does not produce due to a pre-existing injury.

 

[CHI-TOWNSAINT]

A player can't be seriously judged as a bust until he is out of the league. In the case of Meach and Reggie, we can say (on not) that they appear to be a bust, but that's all. Both could wind up being All Pro for all we know.

:1zhelp:

 

[robsmith32]

You covered it incorrectly.

He was never active for a game. That's different. The point is that he could have been activated for a game and never was. Players on the practice squad and IR are not on the active roster. As are players that are PUP, etc. He didn't *have* to be on the active roster.

He did practice full speed during the second half of the season. Yet he still wasn't activated, even when (as I've already said) we had injuries to other recievers and were short handed at the position.

The surgery he had was minor surgery. It's something that only takes about a month to fully recover from. It would have been a simple thing to put the guy on IR but they never did.

We'll see what he does this year, but mostly people are making excuses for him and trying to explain away the fact that when he was healthy enough to play, Payton didn't feel he was good enough to even dress for a game.

please re-read bonchie, Shawn you're a brilliant poster here, and should be able to see past this.

Had the saints IR'd as you suggested, he wouldn't have been able to practice with the team, further hampering his learning curve. I'm quite sure he benefitted the extra work with Jamie martin and palko, he wasn't on the 1st team, so he wouldnt' be getting the timing down with brees, in order to be effective on gameday. IN the short term, the coaches look bad because their 1st rounder didn't play... but in the long term they benefit by having that said player being better the following season.
you do realize that the coaches were able to see him practice everyday. against their own players.
you do realize that patten has stated to them they made the right pick in choosing meachem. with working extra with him.

as bonchie said, if saint's would have put him on the practice squad, he would have been on another teams active roster within the hour.
yes, we fans would have been able to justify the pick had they put him in and he was able to shine.. but that's all , we were arguable 3 plays from the playoffs with what we fielded.
I think the coaches made the right choice in getting meachem 100% ready before putting him out there. And in the long run we benefit.. but of course we have to have 2nd guessing of the fans and some media for the entire season.

 

[meily]

You covered it incorrectly.

He was never active for a game. That's different. The point is that he could have been activated for a game and never was. Players on the practice squad and IR are not on the active roster. As are players that are PUP, etc. He didn't *have* to be on the active roster.

He did practice full speed during the second half of the season. Yet he still wasn't activated, even when (as I've already said) we had injuries to other recievers and were short handed at the position.

The surgery he had was minor surgery. It's something that only takes about a month to fully recover from. It would have been a simple thing to put the guy on IR but they never did.

We'll see what he does this year, but mostly people are making excuses for him and trying to explain away the fact that when he was healthy enough to play, Payton didn't feel he was good enough to even dress for a game.

Sounds like you beef should be with Payton not Meachem....I dont think players decide if they will be activated......