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Would we all agree that our ‘justice’ system is supposed to hold people accountable for bad actions (and try to restore those who were hurt)?
But we have a system that ‘legally’ shields people from being held accountable (and many people even have to pay for being victimized)

so…we just take it?
No one is arguing we should just take it. I mean, there have been demonstrations, riots, murders etc, etc yet the corps keep going on with business as usual because they have the politicians in their back pocket and nothing really changes.

Should we just take it? No. But our options are severely limited.
 
I tend to celebrate when someone stands up for others. Especially when you see so many people look away or take out there phone. When a kid is being bullied and someone steps in and beats the crap out of the bully I am all for it.

The guy in Texas who caught the guy raping his child and beat him to death. Good for him.

The guy who shot the pedophile in the airport for raping his son bravo.

Shooting a man in cold blood isn’t vigilante justice though.
the ruling class has taken away the working class’ only ways of pushing back/fighting back (legally), there’s little left to do. They bought the elections, they own the politicians from both major parties. They own the judges, the police. They tether our healthcare/life to our jobs to control us.

The problem with saying violence isn’t the answer is that violence is being perpetuated against all of us to some degree, every day but for some reason some of y’all are fine with that.
 
No one is arguing we should just take it. I mean, there have been demonstrations, riots, murders etc, etc yet the corps keep going on with business as usual because they have the politicians in their back pocket and nothing really changes.

Should we just take it? No. But our options are severely limited.
And that’s where the violence comes in. All these cries to humanize the ruling class are disgusting.
 
Well, I don't attribute corporations getting away with what they get away with is due to a lack of justice, but rather a lack of guardrails for those corporations. They get away with what they get away with because they're usually legally protected. If you want to change that, you have to change the laws governing them. The problem is less justice and more related to rules/laws allowing them to do what they do.

In short, the problem is political, not judicial.

Until the money from insurance companies to buy votes is done away with, nothing is going to change.
No, it’s both. The companies and rich guys own the politicians, judges and police.
 
No, it’s both. The companies and rich guys own the politicians, judges and police.
They may own a judge or few, but I don't buy that as a rule that they own most or even many. I think it's cynical to think otherwise.

Don't think they own the police at all. They don't really need to because their interests are already protected by the legal system to a large degree.

I agree with a lot of your sentiment, I'm just not buying that they own that much.
 
They may own a judge or few, but I don't buy that as a rule that they own most or even many. I think it's cynical to think otherwise.

Don't think they own the police at all. They don't really need to because their interests are already protected by the legal system to a large degree.

I agree with a lot of your sentiment, I'm just not buying that they own that much.
No, the Proud Boys own the police.
 
And that’s where the violence comes in. All these cries to humanize the ruling class are disgusting.
Well, they are humans, no? Crummy ones, sure, but we largely don't know who the good ones are and aren't. What if someone is trying to work from within and is wrongly killed?

I think there are levers that can be used to affect change, but I'm not sure there's enough will of the people to actually make a dent right now. I don't have any good answers.
 
They may own a judge or few, but I don't buy that as a rule that they own most or even many. I think it's cynical to think otherwise.
we know that at least 3 supreme court justices are DEEPLY connected - some would say indebted- to donor money
Packing the courts and judge shopping are very much a thing
 
Not saying that's not happening, but not nearly to the extent you're implying.
Local and state judges are also owned by businesses to enact policies at their levels to accomplish their goals. Thats where it starts.

Is every cop, judge and politician corrupt? No. But it would be remiss to not acknowledge the level of corruption in this country that is going on.
 
I think CCS is dead on. The ruling class has tilted “the system” heavily in their favor. The lower classes absolutely are not playing on a level field within the system.
 
I think CCS is dead on. The ruling class has tilted “the system” heavily in their favor. The lower classes absolutely are not playing on a level field within the system.
Oh, no question the system is far from a level playing field. That's never been in doubt. It's been that way since before the country was founded.
 
Local and state judges are also owned by businesses to enact policies at their levels to accomplish their goals. Thats where it starts.
I definitely think there's influence. It varies depending on the jurisdiction, location and industry.
Is every cop, judge and politician corrupt? No. But it would be remiss to not acknowledge the level of corruption in this country that is going on.
There's definitely corruption out there. To what degree and how widespread it is is anyone's guess though.
 

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