UnitedHealth CEO shot

[Brandon13]

To the point I made earlier about medical costs and billing, the Washington Post is running a series of articles describing some of the billing abuses by hospitals. The last one my wife read to me (she's the one with the subscription), a man went in for a colonoscopy. The doctor fee: $19,000. But gets better... the doctor removed 2 polyps from the man's colon. Since he removed 2 polyps, he billed for 2 colonoscopies.

Now, surprisingly enough, the insurance paid for both; however, the insurance would've have the right to refuse to pay for a colonoscopy that in reality was not performed, yet the patient would still be on the hook to pay for the procedure.

Could really see someone getting shot over something like that..

 

[Semper]

I will be honest. I have United. I spent a month in the hospital with Covid and another 4 days a few weeks later with a diabetic issue from Covid and they paid everything.

 

[Semper]

Was it cold blood, though?

I believe it was the definition of cold blooded. "Killing someone in cold blood" refers to the act of murder committed with deliberate intent, without any emotion, provocation, or remorse. It suggests a premeditated, calculated, and unfeeling approach to taking someone's life, typically without any significant emotional disturbance or reaction during the act. The phrase emphasizes a lack of empathy or justification for the violence.

 

[DaveXA]

I tend to celebrate when someone stands up for others. Especially when you see so many people look away or take out there phone. When a kid is being bullied and someone steps in and beats the crap out of the bully I am all for it.

The guy in Texas who caught the guy raping his child and beat him to death. Good for him.

The guy who shot the pedophile in the airport for raping his son bravo.

Shooting a man in cold blood isn’t vigilante justice though.

So...who gets to play God though? I don't trust people enough for vigilante justice. What happens if they kill the wrong person, what then?

Either way, if you play judge, jury and executioner, you'll have to be prepared for the consequences that cone with doing such.

I'm OK with defending yourself and your family, and killing in self-defense if warranted. But beyond that, nope.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I believe it was the definition of cold blooded. "Killing someone in cold blood" refers to the act of murder committed with deliberate intent, without any emotion, provocation, or remorse. It suggests a premeditated, calculated, and unfeeling approach to taking someone's life, typically without any significant emotional disturbance or reaction during the act. The phrase emphasizes a lack of empathy or justification for the violence.

I’m trying to figure out if there is inconsistency or not here
So generally you are fine if an aggrieved party gets extrajudicial retribution if the crime is personal and targeted

But extrajudicial retribution that’s more calculated and the crime victims number in the 100,000s or even millions- that’s not good

Do I have that right?

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

So...who gets to play God though?

CCS - we’ve already covered this

 

[DaveXA]

I will be honest. I have United. I spent a month in the hospital with Covid and another 4 days a few weeks later with a diabetic issue from Covid and they paid everything.

Yeah, we had United for a little while and never had issues, but then, nothing serious that we needed it for.

That said, it's a huge company and there will always be some sort of issues with policy coverage for companies as large, and profit driven as they are.

 

[Semper]

I’m trying to figure out if there is inconsistency or not here
So generally you are fine if an aggrieved party gets extrajudicial retribution if the crime is personal and targeted

But extrajudicial retribution that’s more calculated and the crime victims number in the 100,000s or even millions- that’s not good

Do I have that right?

I dunno. I gave you examples. If someone raped and kidnapped your wife, and you killed that person in retribution and I was on your jury you would get a not guilty from me.

Personally I would go to jail or die for my family.

 

[DaveXA]

I dunno. I gave you examples. If someone raped and kidnapped your wife, and you killed that person in retribution and I was on your jury you would get a not guilty from me.

Personally I would go to jail or die for my family.

In theory, I definitely would, but I think there are big picture considerations. Would I do it to the detriment to the rest of my family? I don't think so. It's sort of the eye for an eye leaving the whole world blind mantra.

Which in most situations it's better to allow justice to prevail. Sometimes justice doesn't, and at that point, I don't know. I'm definitely thinking about the rest of my family before I risk my own life or freedom.

I'm sure there are some rare circumstances where I'd react, but I can't imagine myself getting to that point. I hope I never have to make that sort of decision, and I can't say what I'd actually do when that happens.

 

[SystemShock]

I believe it was the definition of cold blooded. "Killing someone in cold blood" refers to the act of murder committed with deliberate intent, without any emotion, provocation, or remorse. It suggests a premeditated, calculated, and unfeeling approach to taking someone's life, typically without any significant emotional disturbance or reaction during the act. The phrase emphasizes a lack of empathy or justification for the violence.

I'd say there was some significant emotion involved.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Which in most situations it's better to allow justice to prevail. Sometimes justice doesn't,

this is the issue I think Widge was having - it's fine to have some principled stand like "let justice praevail'
but when confronted with the seemingly inalienable fact that corporate leaders are never ever ever ever held accountable for their lethal policies what does 'let the just system work' even mean
it's not even that it's a broken system - it's operating in the way it was designed (protect the rich, punish the poor)

what more evidence do we need to see that 'justice' was a social myth that we were taught early and still cling to for...reasons ?

 

[DaveXA]

this is the issue I think Widge was having - it's fine to have some principled stand like "let justice praevail'
but when confronted with the seemingly inalienable fact that corporate leaders are never ever ever ever held accountable for their lethal policies what does 'let the just system work' even mean
it's not even that it's a broken system - it's operating in the way it was designed (protect the rich, punish the poor)

what more evidence do we need to see that 'justice' was a social myth that we were taught early and still cling to for...reasons ?

Well, I don't attribute corporations getting away with what they get away with is due to a lack of justice, but rather a lack of guardrails for those corporations. They get away with what they get away with because they're usually legally protected. If you want to change that, you have to change the laws governing them. The problem is less justice and more related to rules/laws allowing them to do what they do.

In short, the problem is political, not judicial.

Until the money from insurance companies to buy votes is done away with, nothing is going to change.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Well, I don't attribute corporations getting away with what they get away with is due to a lack of justice, but rather a lack of guardrails for those corporations. They get away with what they get away with because they're usually legally protected. If you want to change that, you have to change the laws governing them. The problem is less justice and more related to rules/laws allowing them to do what they do.

In short, the problem is political, not judicial.

Until the money from insurance companies to buy votes is done away with, nothing is going to change.

not trying to be obtuse, but I fail to see the distinction that you're drawing
(especially if those same or similar corporations have also commandeered the political process)

 

[DaveXA]

not trying to be obtuse, but I fail to see the distinction that you're drawing
(especially if those same or similar corporations have also commandeered the political process)

Justice =/= Laws