Was Dan Marino's TD record this sacred ??? (1 Viewer)

[mikaloyd]

Bill Bellichick knows how to shut up his beat reporters about Marinos record going down.

Reporter: As a defensive coach, though, with all the rules that have been made the last few years, would Marino have thrown for far more yards [under the current rules]? If Marino was playing now, do you think he'd have thrown for 5,500 yards?

Belichick: "Yeah, I don't know. If if's and buts were candy and nuts, everyday would be Christmas. I don't know. I have no idea."

Reporter: Do those rules help though?

Belichick: "Which rules are you talking about?"

Reporter: The rules of not being able to hit quarterbacks, and how receivers you can't touch them further downfield.

Belichick: "Those rules have been in place for 15 years."

 

[Vibe Merchant]

27 years is a really long time. So if the game has progressively gotten so much easier on the QB, why has it taken so long?

 

[GoldRush26]

Hmm, we must not be listening to the same stuff... I've been hearing a lot of conversations that start with something like....

"Not to take anything away from Drew Brees, but... "

So what? The record is his. It doesn't matter what kind of record there is, there are always going to be people that want to minimize it. That's with anything, it's not a Drew Brees-specific phenomenon.

You can't be oversensitive just because there isn't universal butt kissing going on. This is what life is like as a superstar. There are always people that don't want you to be where you are.

 

[DCTransplant]

So what? The record is his. It doesn't matter what kind of record there is, there are always going to be people that want to minimize it. That's with anything, it's not a Drew Brees-specific phenomenon.

You can't be oversensitive just because there isn't universal butt kissing going on. This is what life is like as a superstar. There are always people that don't want you to be where you are.

But that was my whole point, and it seems to have gotten lost in this thread, that I don't think the same discussions took place when Peyton Manning broke the TD record that Marino set in that same 1984 season... a record that I think should've been considered more sacred based on how far over the previous record he set the bar...

So apparently what DOES matter is WHO breaks the record, at least to the media who report on such things.

I can tell you how much Drew breaking the record meant to me. When Malcolm Jenkins scooped up that fumble I wanted him to stop or fall down or go out of bounds instead of get a touchdown so that there were enough yards left for Drew to throw. I never wanted a Saint to not make a touchdown before ever.

And to add to this, the one play where they ran the ball on the last drive, I was hoping that they got stopped for 1 yard or less, knowing that Drew needed 31 of the 32 possible yards to break the record

 

[Firecross]

Does any of this really surprise anyone?

Saints win the NFCtitle game

"Wah, overtime rules are not fair"
"Wah, they played dirty by hitting Favre."



Saints get to the Superbowl

"Wah, Saints have NO chance!" The media already planted Peyton Mannings legacy as a two time SB mvp. 95% of the coverage is all about the Colts and whether or not Freeney is gonna play.
"Wah, Vikings were the better team, it should have been Favre vs Manning."


Saints win the Superbowl

"They party too much, superbowl hangover, superbowl hangover!"
*Media couldn't wait to see the Saints fail the following year*

Brees puts up monster numbers in various seasons

"So and so means more to his team than Drew."

Brees breaks Marino's record.

"Well, its easier now than it was before but hey! Brady is 190 yards behind!"
"Wah, they ran up the score! its classes!"

The real truth is had Brees been playing for the New York Jets not a peep would be said about any of this, no column about "running up the score, etc."

 

[Dark Knight II]

I agree if Brees played in NY they would worship him.

 

[TheGooch]

Brees has gotten a heap of praise about this record and it seems to have elevated his status to being that of legend.

Really?!! Please tell me what channel you are watching, because I got up the next morning so proud of Drew I couldnt wait to turn on the sports programs to hear everyone gush about Drew and what he did....but

Do you know what I heard? All I heard was how the record is tainted, the record needs an asterisk by it, the record is not the same because we make it too easy for receivers now, records not the same cuz the game is not the same, I heard how Drew was disrespectful for attaining it the way he did scoring on the last drive. So please enlighten me on where all this praise is coming from

Want the Truth? If this were Brady, Manning, or Rodgers...you would hear nothing but the highest praise coming from all the talking head...no one would make the comment about "football now is different from when Marino played"...no one would dare talk about an asterisk much less doubt throwing the ball constantly with under two minutes just to attain the record...No no no, any other quarterback would be called elite for doing what Drew did.

But this is New Orleans so we will have to put up with the backhanded compliments and disrespect...

 

[Deacon Blues]

Most I have heard on TV all agree that "Marino was more impressive". Too bad he didn't know how to win a Superbowl.

Yep.

Marino lost his superbowl to a guy some call the GOAT-

Brees won his superbowl against a guy some say is the GOAT-

 

[ktbarthedoor]

We should blame it all on Mel Blount. He's the reason it's easier to pass now.

Couldn't a case be made for more complex defenses today? I doubt Marino saw nearly as much of the nickel and dime situational packages of today's NFL. Or zone blitzes for that matter.

I blame it all on the amount of airtime talking heads are required to fill. In Marino's heyday there was a little talk radio, newspapers, magazines and TV sports segments. Now we have a slew of sports only websites, radio stations and cable and satellite stations with tons of airtime to kill.

 

[GoldRush26]

Really?!! Please tell me what channel you are watching, because I got up the next morning so proud of Drew I couldnt wait to turn on the sports programs to hear everyone gush about Drew and what he did....but

Do you know what I heard? All I heard was how the record is tainted, the record needs an asterisk by it, the record is not the same because we make it too easy for receivers now, records not the same cuz the game is not the same, I heard how Drew was disrespectful for attaining it the way he did scoring on the last drive. So please enlighten me on where all this praise is coming from

Want the Truth? If this were Brady, Manning, or Rodgers...you would hear nothing but the highest praise coming from all the talking head...no one would make the comment about "football now is different from when Marino played"...no one would dare talk about an asterisk much less doubt throwing the ball constantly with under two minutes just to attain the record...No no no, any other quarterback would be called elite for doing what Drew did.

But this is New Orleans so we will have to put up with the backhanded compliments and disrespect...

You have selective hearing. Seems like you're completely disregarding the effusive praise that Drew has gotten since Monday and you're zeroing in on the lack of "respeck."

I didn't hear anyone say the record is tainted or it should have an asterisk. All I heard them say is that it's a passing league now and the rules favor the passing game, which is all true. You can barely touch the QB or tackle WRs without them throwing a flag. Going over the middle is much easier now than even 5 years ago because DBs don't want to get flagged for a spearing/helmet-to-helmet penalty.

That's not Drew's fault that the rules are like that but they are. And as of 3 week ago 3 other QBs were also within striking distance of the same record, and Brady still has a chance to eclipse Marino's mark. Is it really that impressive if another QB in the same year is right behind him?

But I must confess that I've been somewhat underwhelmed by it, since he came so close a couple of years ago and we were a bad team then. I think it puts huge pressure on the team now. If they don't win the SB, it'll mean nothing.

 

[Kicks]

Hey, I'm thinking (not declaring) it was easier for Marino to reach his mark than for Brees. Marino had more 400+ games than Drew, so the defenses he played against must have really been bad.

Maybe the Dolphins even had an easier schedule than the Saintrs did this year, IDK, I'm speculating.

Did anyone mention that Drew got the record in 15 games whereas it took Marino 16 games? Yes, 16. A lot of people seem to think Marino was playing a 14 game season in 1984. Not so.

Oh, can someone let me know if Marino had to overcome a career ending shoulder injury before he got his record?

 

[SaintsFan83]

Just as WR's could be interfered with more back at the time, WR's could push off more than Roddy White at that time as well... Its all the same IMO.

 

[Guido Merkins]

I clearly remember a couple of people in the media talking about this when Manning broke the TD record. Not alot, but a couple.

About the same number that are talking about it with Brees. It's something to talk about, but people are acting like there has been some wall of criticism thrown at Brees. It's been a couple of yahoos, at the most.

Pointing out how the rules favor the offense is, IMO, not criticising Brees as much as it's just pointing out reality. The fact that 3 QBs are within striking distance tells you alot about the current state of the game.

Not to take anything away from Drew. As it was pointed out, Drew is the only QB with 2 5,000 yard seasons and he does hold the record. So, if everyone is benefitting from the rules as they are now, it can be said that Drew is probably the best QB in the NFL because he has played the best under said rules.

 

[TheDeparted]

lol

Yeah, I know - he dedicated his article to Brees and the yardage record, but I still found this funny, considering the media butt-hurt here (including mine).

From Sando's MVP watch, where he (correctly) has Brees @2 and Brady @3

Brees:

Marino averaged 9.0 yards per attempt during his historic season. Brees checks in at 8.2 YPA this season.
...
From ESPN Stats & Information: (lists a bunch of Brees' records and streaks with no further commentary)

Backhanded compliment!


Brady:

One player in NFL history has needed only 15 games to amass at least 4,800 yards and 35 TDs, all while averaging at least 8.5 yards per attempt. Brady is that player.
...
The point, basically, is that Brady is enjoying what would be an MVP-caliber season in just about any other year. Perhaps we take for granted his production.

Woot! Invent a record for Brady!

 

[D. Flowers]

Over the years I thought that the record was pretty sacred, 27 years is a long time.