Was Loomis Taken out of Context By His Remarks (Comparing DA to Coaching Greats) (1 Viewer)

[th3myth]

DA inherited a team in transition. DA was 9-8 this year not 4-13, putting the focus solely on the coach and not the dynamics in which the team is struggling is short sighted and I understand the frustration because he is the HC so he gets the blame (unfair blame at times) but when he immediately starts transitioning and implementing the change we want to see how is HE still the problem?

I do not even think this is a DA thing anymore, I think ANY coach that would of taken over for Payton would be feeling this heat because we as fans can be irrational at times.

You are right DA was 9-8 this year in a weak division, playing back up qbs cause fields, cousins and others got hurt and yet we still missed the playoffs and we still lost the division.

 

[RJ in Lafayette]

Someone above could have made his point without the personal aside that that I wanted to "make sure" Loomis's performance was seen in the "worst possible light" with the additional comment that he was shocked by my reaction.

I try to engage others on substance, on the merits of their arguments. I welcome substantive disagreement.

I watched much of the press conference. What I wrote was based on what I saw. I am not surprised if some reporters described Loomis as "excited." I would be surprised if reporters described him as "comfortable," but if a forum member says reporters used that description, I will accept that statement as true. However, I would also suggest that a number of reporters and commentators gave a description of Loomis that was consistent with what I wrote. But again, I wrote based on what I saw.

 

[St. William]

Its not like he inherited a team that was in shambles. He had a playoff caliber roster the past two seasons and hasn't been able to capitalize. He's a known quantity at this point of his coaching career. He blatantly lack leadership skills and excels at losing football games.

 

[Saintman2884]

You are right DA was 9-8 this year in a weak division, playing back up qbs cause fields, cousins and others got hurt and yet we still missed the playoffs and we still lost the division.

Sadly, we also lost, pretty handedly, to an aspiring rocket scientist trainee at NASA- Vikings backup Joshua Dobbs, who started several games at QB after Cousins had an MCL Achilles tear (?) after fighting and clawing his team back to .500 after a poor start to begin the season.

 

[Saint Spud]

Loomis was the one who ignored context here:

-Cited Belichick’s time in Cleveland. But acted like Allen should only be judged by his time in NO.

-used SP as an example, glossing over the fact he orchestrated one of the greatest single-season turnarounds in NFL history in year one.

I liked a lot of what Loomis said otherwise. But if anyone took stuff out of context here, it was him.

 

[sfidc3]

We all know the gist of what Loomis was saying is “We think we have a great coach, we just need to be patient because greatness takes time to cultivate“

If you disagree you disagree. End story

That's one interpretation, but it's far from mine.....I think Loomis is saying "hiring DA was my decision and I'm going to prove it was the right one.....no matter what....."

Loomis and the Saints FO/ownership's main problem is the Saints fans know what a good HC and coaching staff looks like....and this ain't it....

it sounded like blasphemy. He could've made his point with lesser accomplished coaches. Instead, he chose the most arrogant argument because he knows he's safe and can be as Zany as he wants, without retribution. (im not hating ML, im just pointing out what im seeing)

I agree completely with above, he knows there are no repercussions so he uses a ridiculous argument to make his "point".....how in the world could what he said be taken "out of context".....he said what he said, he compared DA record/struggling to the very few HOF coaches who struggled early on.....with zero context (which is consistent with most DA supporters arguments).....

 

[St.Dan]

When he compared DA having similar starts in his first two seasons as a coach compared to Chuck Knoll, Bill Walsh, Belichick, and Tom Landry, I don't think he meant that Allen would have a similar rise.

It was more of saying what can happen when teams are patient with their HCs when they are first starting.

I have seen a lot of people on Saints Twitter, Saints FB Groups, podcasts, and even the local media that were not too pleased by what ML said.

Thoughts?

I sure appreciate anyone who knows about and appreciates the masters of the profession. But it would be the prophecy of the millennium if DA’s legacy ends up approaching the same galaxy as the names he dropped.

 

[kcirdor]

Jim Haslett was 10-6,7-9,9-7,8-8,8-8,3-13

Someone do Mike Ditka

 

[JackDiesel]

No, his remarks were not taken out of context. All he had to do was say something along the lines of “I think Dennis Allen is a good coach, we had a winning record and there are plenty of examples of HCs having success after a disappointing first two seasons”.

Whilst most of us would have disagreed it’d have been a completely fair answer. Once you start reeling off the names of HOF coaches then you sound absurd and antagonise an already frustrated fan base further.

Or he could have even said we've been let down by our offensive system so we're overhauling it and finding Allen his own Gregg Williams for the offense. At least that makes sense. We all saw Pete Carmichael getting setup as the fall guy for Allen this year from a mile away.

I can only imagine Loomis sitting there and looking up all the records of those coaches and writing them down thinking he made a good point. Like his whole justification for Allen in the first place being ready to win now hasn't completely gone down the toilet after a 2nd season of failing to secure not only a division title but even a wildcard spot.

 

[blotch1]

he inherited a playoff contention team when he took over as head coach

I don't particularly like Dennis Allen, but he did not inherit a playoff contention team. He inherited a salary cap strapped, aging team with a good defense, but no real QB and not many healthy playmakers on offense.

 

[harrty]

I believe our next OC is also our next HC. DA is here to keep the defense going until after next season. JMHO

 

[meily]

You are right DA was 9-8 this year in a weak division, playing back up qbs cause fields, cousins and others got hurt and yet we still missed the playoffs and we still lost the division.

ad nauseum

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

When he compared DA having similar starts in his first two seasons as a coach compared to Chuck Knoll, Bill Walsh, Belichick, and Tom Landry, I don't think he meant that Allen would have a similar rise.

It was more of saying what can happen when teams are patient with their HCs when they are first starting.

I have seen a lot of people on Saints Twitter, Saints FB Groups, podcasts, and even the local media that were not too pleased by what ML said.

Thoughts?

You are correct. But expecting that kind of comprehension from people given to emotional outbursts is likely a futile effort.

 

[Goatman Saint]

Allen inherited a team that had an extremely strong core and a good set of talent. This year he only won because of the disaster of teams he played.

Landry took over an expansion team and built it from nothing. The Steelers were in a bad place when Noll took over as coach. The patriots were built by Parcells and Pete Carroll. Belichick got lucky with Brady, and had to clean up the ship after they got in bad habits under Carroll, but the core of the Super Bowl talent was already there what great things did Belichick do in Cleveland?

None of the three took a team nearly off the playoffs and got worse, then beat a bunch of high school teams to finally eek out a winning record

 

[Saint Taysom]

It was ridiculous… and Loomis cherry-picked his stats to support his argument.

He left out Bill Walsh’s 3rd year where he killed it… he left out BB’s time head coaching Cleveland… and he conveniently left out the disaster that was Dennis Allen with the Raiders.