Was Loomis Taken out of Context By His Remarks (Comparing DA to Coaching Greats) (1 Viewer)

[No2DC]

Loomis has terrible public relations skills. There's a way to be emphatic with the fans without being arrogant and there is way to say we believe in the coach without comparing him to HOF coaches he will never rea h that tier. The level detachment he exhibits is astonishing.

 

[rlemieux]

We kept DA because we had built a culture and wanted to keep that intact. Now that same culture that was built is broken while on DA and Loomis’s watch. Again, that tracks.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

ad nauseum

Ad nauseum = What actually happened?

 

[St4ever]

DA inherited a team in transition. DA was 9-8 this year not 4-13, putting the focus solely on the coach and not the dynamics in which the team is struggling is short sighted and I understand the frustration because he is the HC so he gets the blame (unfair blame at times) but when he immediately starts transitioning and implementing the change we want to see how is HE still the problem?

I do not even think this is a DA thing anymore, I think ANY coach that would of taken over for CSP would be feeling this heat because he is proceeding CSP and we as fans can be irrational at times.

I really wish y’all would stop throwing that 9-8 crap around like it was a blessing and come down to reality that we had the easiest schedule in NFL history and should of won at minimum 3 more games!

 

[liveoakh]

When he compared DA having similar starts in his first two seasons as a coach compared to Chuck Knoll, Bill Walsh, Belichick, and Tom Landry, I don't think he meant that Allen would have a similar rise.

It was more of saying what can happen when teams are patient with their HCs when they are first starting.

I have seen a lot of people on Saints Twitter, Saints FB Groups, podcasts, and even the local media that were not too pleased by what ML said.

Thoughts?

Chuck Knoll, Bill Walsh, Belichick, and Tom Landry,

Every time he would compare Allen ........to Chuck Knoll, Bill Walsh, Belicheck and Tom Landry. It just shows what a dinosaur general manager he is. Loomis is (Göbekli Tepe) old.

Every time he gives a press conference, he trots out some tired football cliche's and platitudes from the 70s. That just dates him, and his football philosophy. The chewing gum and smacking, was as creepy as anything I have ever seen in a Saints press conference. If any executive, did that at any other $4 billion company. You would be demoted or fired. This is the bad judgement I speak of.

 

[liveoakh]

DA inherited a team in transition. DA was 9-8 this year not 4-13, putting the focus solely on the coach and not the dynamics in which the team is struggling is short sighted and I understand the frustration because he is the HC so he gets the blame (unfair blame at times) but when he immediately starts transitioning and implementing the change we want to see how is HE still the problem?

I do not even think this is a DA thing anymore, I think ANY coach that would of taken over for CSP would be feeling this heat because he is proceeding CSP and we as fans can be irrational at times.

DA would have to go undefeated the next 2 seasons.....just to be above .500 as a HC.

DA Allen has the worst W/L record of any active head coach in the NFL.

DA is has the 17th worst W/L record........all time.

But, DA is #1 among Saints Report historical revisionist.

 

[Hedon James]

I really wish y’all would stop throwing that 9-8 crap around like it was a blessing and come down to reality that we had the easiest schedule in NFL history and should of won at minimum 3 more games!

It's hard to win football games in the NFL (says a man named Dennis Allen!) and yet we did it NINE times!

 

[504gks]

Loomis has terrible public relations skills. There's a way to be emphatic with the fans without being arrogant and there is way to say we believe in the coach without comparing him to HOF coaches he will never rea h that tier. The level detachment he exhibits is astonishing.

Very condescending, like he is all knowing. Just like he is when he makes great trades. Davenport(2 ones), Penning(one-Jalen Carter and a two). Payton, cgj. He always get fleeced on his smug face.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

And he conveniently left out the disaster that was Dennis Allen with the Raiders.

No, he didn't. He discussed Allen's time with the Raiders.

 

[ATLien]

Saints FO depends on fans with short memories that think with their hearts. Mickey and DA's performance has been nothing short of a dumpster fire. Mickey's decline is accelerating. That's MHO.

 

[Saint KayBee]

I would also note that he tried to rewrite history when he suggested that Payton in 07-08 was facing the same calls for his head as DA is now. Gaslighting the fans is not going to get much support.

So if I searched for “fire Payton” threads on the SSF, there won’t be any results?

The team is undisciplined, at the top of the league in penalties.

Not getting into the rest of your post but this is provably false, the 2023 Saints tied with the Chiefs for 18th in accepted penalties against them, with 96. The most penalized teams were the Jets (124), Cowboys, and Browns (115 each).

.Again, Allen, IMHO, is a poor man's Haslett, except that DA was and still is a better DC than Haslett ever could hope to be here in 1996 with Mora, in Pittsburgh from 1997-99, or in Washington under Mike Shanahan.

Being better than Haslett in multiple iterations would make him a rich man’s Haslett

it sounded like blasphemy. He could've made his point with lesser accomplished coaches.

Then the narrative of the perpetually aggrieved would just shift to he didn’t cite good enough coaches, “yeah well how did (insert coach here) hold up against the greats of his time?” It’s like how you can’t talk about 1990s basketball without some smooth brain going “well player x never beat Jordan!”

Jim Haslett was 10-6,7-9,9-7,8-8,8-8,3-13

Someone do Mike Ditka

6-10, 6-10, 3-13

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

So if I searched for “fire Payton” threads on the SSF, there won’t be any results?

You'd probably find a million Fire Gary Gibbs threads. I doubt you will find many Fire Payton threads in 2007 or 2008, and certainly nothing like the broad-based Fire DA movement that's been going on around here and among the fandom at large.

Loomis certainly wasn't holding prickly press conferences to defend bringing Sean back for another season.

 

[RJ in Lafayette]

I don't remember many urging that Payton be fired after the 2007 season when the team went 7-9 or after the 2008 season when the team finished 8-8. In 2008, the Saints lost five games by a total of 13 points. And my memory is that there was tremendous optimism before the 2009 season. I have a specific memory of Jim Henderson in training camp saying 2009 could be the team's Super Bowl year.

Payton just acted like an NFL head coach. He seemed to be in charge, and no one said the job was too big for him.

 

[fahad]

When he compared DA having similar starts in his first two seasons as a coach compared to Chuck Knoll, Bill Walsh, Belichick, and Tom Landry, I don't think he meant that Allen would have a similar rise.

It was more of saying what can happen when teams are patient with their HCs when they are first starting.

I have seen a lot of people on Saints Twitter, Saints FB Groups, podcasts, and even the local media that were not too pleased by what ML said.

Thoughts?

Dennis Allen is a Lieutenant not a General as Matt Moscona called him. This is exactly how I feel as well. I hope I am wrong but facts are facts.

 

[DSnfla]

I am not a DA fan and would have been happy if we moved on from him this yr and made a big play for Ben Johnson. But all of the coaches he mentioned went into their new teams with a franchise HOF QB and DA got Winston and Dalton, heck even Landry had Meredith. The best sort of comparison that comes closest is Belichick his record @ Cleveland was 33-44 i 5 yrs and it was not till 94 that he had a winning record. NE was 8-8 under Pete Carroll the yr before BB got there. Not a great deal of talent on O but some good players , Kevin Faulk , but he did have Bledsoe and of course Brady and he still went 5-11 . He did have some talent on D though . So the reference to BB is not unreasonable