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Yeah, there are still a lot of questions like who DID own the cow.
 
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Nearly! William Fay worked for a butcher, transporting the butcher's meat about. Kernan bought him a pint in the pub ("gave him a treat"), and asked him to come and slaughter the cow for him, which he did. Then Kernan threatened him not to tell anyone. William didn't do anything with it afterwards, he just killed it.
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Well, I made an assumption that the "porter" would take it to the butcher to try to get paid, otherwise it's just poaching for no reason.
 
Arathrael said:
It's all in the full article, but honestly, I just posted that bit to show my great-great-great-grandfather killing a stolen cow, do we really want to turn this thread into the case of the 19th century stolen cow thread.
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Arathrael said:
It's all in the full article, but honestly, I just posted that bit to show my great-great-great-grandfather killing a stolen cow, do we really want to turn this thread into the case of the 19th century stolen cow thread.
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When I was doing genealogy and I was perusing old digitized newspapers a lot, I went down many an ancient rabbit hole. It was interesting how differently things were written, archaic words, words that have come to mean something different (teamster as an occupation comes to mind) and the types of things that would make it to the newspaper esp. in the social pages. Also how many "traffic accidents" there were with horsedrawn carriages and the like.
 

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guidomerkinsrules said:
do you really even have to ask this question?!!
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Fiiiiine. This is the entire article from the Freeman's Journal, Dublin, Saturday 18th October 1862, which I hope will answer all questions about the stolen cow, so we can move on to other things, like the guy I went to University with who became a vicar and then got sacked and jailed for two years for doing some really bad stuff on IRC.

"CITY SESSIONS--Yesterday

The Right Hon. the Recorder sat for the trial of prisoners and traversers in the court-house, Green-street:

John Redmond and John Finn were indicted for having, on the 26th September last, stolen a cow, the property of Joseph O'Brien, of Finglas ; and William Kernan surrendered in discharge of his bail, and was indicted for having the cow unlawfully in his possession.

Mr. Charles R. Barry, QC, prosecuted on the part of the crown.

Mr. J. A. Curran, instructed by Mr. E. A. Ennis, appeared for the traverser, Kernan; and Mr. Sidney appeared for Finn and Redmond.

Mr. Joseph O'Brien deposed to the effect that he missed the cow on the Sunday after she was stolen : she was red and white, and branded on the horn with the letters "C,S," the initials of his uncle's name ; the prisoners, Finn and Redmond, were dairymen of his ; he had the cow about 18 months.

Patrick Finn, brother of the prisoner Finn, stated that the latter and Redmond asked him on the evening in question if he knew any one who would buy a sick cow; they said that they paid 6l. 5s. for the cow ; they asked him to go down to Cole's-lane with them ; they went to Kernan's house, in Off-lane, where he deals in cattle skins, &c ; they asked Kernan to buy the cow, and told him they would have it with him at half past ten o'clock; all the prisoners were there when the cow was killed in Kernan's place; witness did not know whether the cow was sick.

William Fay, butcher's porter, deposed that the traverser Kernan gave him a treat, on the 6th September, in Mrs. Roche's public-house, and told him he had a job for him, as he had a cow coming in from the country ; witness went to Kernan's house and killed the cow, all the prisoners being present; after Kernan had been admitted to bail on the charge of being unlawfully in possession of the cow, he called on witness and desired him, at his peril, not to say that he had employed him to kill the cow.

Hugh Doyle deposed that on the 27th September Kernan called on him and asked him would be do a good turn for him; witness said that he would if it were in his power ; Kernan said that three men drove a cow into his establishment, and that he feared there were some "blues" (meaning policemen) looking after it. and that if witness, who was a butcher, came to his (Kernan's) house and claimed the cow, all would be right ; he asked witness to say that on the previous night it was too late to bring the cow to his establishment, and that, therefore, he (Kernan) obliged him by allowing tbe cow to be killed at his house ; witness examined the carcass afterwards, and it appeared to be that of a sound cow.

James Banks, a boy in the employment of O'Brien, deposed that on the Sunday morning after cow was killed he saw a carcass and skin at Kernan's, in Off-lane; the horns were not on the skin; witness swore before the magistrate that he knew the meat of the cow, but that was because he saw the hide.

Police-constable 86 C, deposed that between 3 and 4 o'clock on the morning of 27th September last, he and 93 C, went to Kernan's house and found the hide of the cow, which was in a bag under some boards ; the horns were sawn off.

Acting-Inspector Rice, G division, deposed to finding the body of a cow at Kernan's place. Kernan, after having received the usual caution, said the cow belonged to Hugh Doyle, butcher, of North King-street.

Mr. Sidney addressed the jury on behalf of his clients, Finn and Redmond; and Mr. Curran addressed them for the traverser Kernan.

Evidence to good character was given on behalf of the traverser and the two prisoners.

Mr. Barry, Q C. having replied on the part of the crown,

His lordship charged the jury, who convicted Finn and Redmond of stealing the cow ; and Kernan with having received it, knowing it to have been stolen.

His lordship sentented Finn and Redmond to twelve months' imprisonment and hard labour; and Kernan to six months imprisonment and hard labour.

The count then rose, and adjourned to the 28th instant."
 
Arathrael said:
Fiiiiine. This is the entire article from the Freeman's Journal, Dublin, Saturday 18th October 1862, which I hope will answer all questions about the stolen cow, so we can move on to other things, like the guy I went to University with who became a vicar and then got sacked and jailed for two years for doing some really bad stuff on IRC.

"CITY SESSIONS--Yesterday

The Right Hon. the Recorder sat for the trial of prisoners and traversers in the court-house, Green-street:

John Redmond and John Finn were indicted for having, on the 26th September last, stolen a cow, the property of Joseph O'Brien, of Finglas ; and William Kernan surrendered in discharge of his bail, and was indicted for having the cow unlawfully in his possession.

Mr. Charles R. Barry, QC, prosecuted on the part of the crown.

Mr. J. A. Curran, instructed by Mr. E. A. Ennis, appeared for the traverser, Kernan; and Mr. Sidney appeared for Finn and Redmond.

Mr. Joseph O'Brien deposed to the effect that he missed the cow on the Sunday after she was stolen : she was red and white, and branded on the horn with the letters "C,S," the initials of his uncle's name ; the prisoners, Finn and Redmond, were dairymen of his ; he had the cow about 18 months.

Patrick Finn, brother of the prisoner Finn, stated that the latter and Redmond asked him on the evening in question if he knew any one who would buy a sick cow; they said that they paid 6l. 5s. for the cow ; they asked him to go down to Cole's-lane with them ; they went to Kernan's house, in Off-lane, where he deals in cattle skins, &c ; they asked Kernan to buy the cow, and told him they would have it with him at half past ten o'clock; all the prisoners were there when the cow was killed in Kernan's place; witness did not know whether the cow was sick.

William Fay, butcher's porter, deposed that the traverser Kernan gave him a treat, on the 6th September, in Mrs. Roche's public-house, and told him he had a job for him, as he had a cow coming in from the country ; witness went to Kernan's house and killed the cow, all the prisoners being present; after Kernan had been admitted to bail on the charge of being unlawfully in possession of the cow, he called on witness and desired him, at his peril, not to say that he had employed him to kill the cow.

Hugh Doyle deposed that on the 27th September Kernan called on him and asked him would be do a good turn for him; witness said that he would if it were in his power ; Kernan said that three men drove a cow into his establishment, and that he feared there were some "blues" (meaning policemen) looking after it. and that if witness, who was a butcher, came to his (Kernan's) house and claimed the cow, all would be right ; he asked witness to say that on the previous night it was too late to bring the cow to his establishment, and that, therefore, he (Kernan) obliged him by allowing tbe cow to be killed at his house ; witness examined the carcass afterwards, and it appeared to be that of a sound cow.

James Banks, a boy in the employment of O'Brien, deposed that on the Sunday morning after cow was killed he saw a carcass and skin at Kernan's, in Off-lane; the horns were not on the skin; witness swore before the magistrate that he knew the meat of the cow, but that was because he saw the hide.

Police-constable 86 C, deposed that between 3 and 4 o'clock on the morning of 27th September last, he and 93 C, went to Kernan's house and found the hide of the cow, which was in a bag under some boards ; the horns were sawn off.

Acting-Inspector Rice, G division, deposed to finding the body of a cow at Kernan's place. Kernan, after having received the usual caution, said the cow belonged to Hugh Doyle, butcher, of North King-street.

Mr. Sidney addressed the jury on behalf of his clients, Finn and Redmond; and Mr. Curran addressed them for the traverser Kernan.

Evidence to good character was given on behalf of the traverser and the two prisoners.

Mr. Barry, Q C. having replied on the part of the crown,

His lordship charged the jury, who convicted Finn and Redmond of stealing the cow ; and Kernan with having received it, knowing it to have been stolen.

His lordship sentented Finn and Redmond to twelve months' imprisonment and hard labour; and Kernan to six months imprisonment and hard labour.

The count then rose, and adjourned to the 28th instant."
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Yes, much better, however a few things
- I’ve watched way too much Monty Python to take the word ‘vicar’ seriously
- unfortunate lack of magic beans in this story
 
Arathrael said:
Fiiiiine. This is the entire article from the Freeman's Journal, Dublin, Saturday 18th October 1862, which I hope will answer all questions about the stolen cow, so we can move on to other things, like the guy I went to University with who became a vicar and then got sacked and jailed for two years for doing some really bad stuff on IRC.

"CITY SESSIONS--Yesterday

The Right Hon. the Recorder sat for the trial of prisoners and traversers in the court-house, Green-street:

John Redmond and John Finn were indicted for having, on the 26th September last, stolen a cow, the property of Joseph O'Brien, of Finglas ; and William Kernan surrendered in discharge of his bail, and was indicted for having the cow unlawfully in his possession.

Mr. Charles R. Barry, QC, prosecuted on the part of the crown.

Mr. J. A. Curran, instructed by Mr. E. A. Ennis, appeared for the traverser, Kernan; and Mr. Sidney appeared for Finn and Redmond.

Mr. Joseph O'Brien deposed to the effect that he missed the cow on the Sunday after she was stolen : she was red and white, and branded on the horn with the letters "C,S," the initials of his uncle's name ; the prisoners, Finn and Redmond, were dairymen of his ; he had the cow about 18 months.

Patrick Finn, brother of the prisoner Finn, stated that the latter and Redmond asked him on the evening in question if he knew any one who would buy a sick cow; they said that they paid 6l. 5s. for the cow ; they asked him to go down to Cole's-lane with them ; they went to Kernan's house, in Off-lane, where he deals in cattle skins, &c ; they asked Kernan to buy the cow, and told him they would have it with him at half past ten o'clock; all the prisoners were there when the cow was killed in Kernan's place; witness did not know whether the cow was sick.

William Fay, butcher's porter, deposed that the traverser Kernan gave him a treat, on the 6th September, in Mrs. Roche's public-house, and told him he had a job for him, as he had a cow coming in from the country ; witness went to Kernan's house and killed the cow, all the prisoners being present; after Kernan had been admitted to bail on the charge of being unlawfully in possession of the cow, he called on witness and desired him, at his peril, not to say that he had employed him to kill the cow.

Hugh Doyle deposed that on the 27th September Kernan called on him and asked him would be do a good turn for him; witness said that he would if it were in his power ; Kernan said that three men drove a cow into his establishment, and that he feared there were some "blues" (meaning policemen) looking after it. and that if witness, who was a butcher, came to his (Kernan's) house and claimed the cow, all would be right ; he asked witness to say that on the previous night it was too late to bring the cow to his establishment, and that, therefore, he (Kernan) obliged him by allowing tbe cow to be killed at his house ; witness examined the carcass afterwards, and it appeared to be that of a sound cow.

James Banks, a boy in the employment of O'Brien, deposed that on the Sunday morning after cow was killed he saw a carcass and skin at Kernan's, in Off-lane; the horns were not on the skin; witness swore before the magistrate that he knew the meat of the cow, but that was because he saw the hide.

Police-constable 86 C, deposed that between 3 and 4 o'clock on the morning of 27th September last, he and 93 C, went to Kernan's house and found the hide of the cow, which was in a bag under some boards ; the horns were sawn off.

Acting-Inspector Rice, G division, deposed to finding the body of a cow at Kernan's place. Kernan, after having received the usual caution, said the cow belonged to Hugh Doyle, butcher, of North King-street.

Mr. Sidney addressed the jury on behalf of his clients, Finn and Redmond; and Mr. Curran addressed them for the traverser Kernan.

Evidence to good character was given on behalf of the traverser and the two prisoners.

Mr. Barry, Q C. having replied on the part of the crown,

His lordship charged the jury, who convicted Finn and Redmond of stealing the cow ; and Kernan with having received it, knowing it to have been stolen.

His lordship sentented Finn and Redmond to twelve months' imprisonment and hard labour; and Kernan to six months imprisonment and hard labour.

The count then rose, and adjourned to the 28th instant."
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TL:dr


Omg, I'm funny.


First, how many different hands did that poor cow go through?

Second, I thought "traverser" was someone who was traveling through. Now I see that's not it at all. It's just like "denier"

Third, this answers whose cow it was. "Mr. Joseph O'Brien deposed to the effect that he missed the cow on the Sunday after she was stolen : she was red and white, and branded on the horn with the letters "C,S," the initials of his uncle's name ; the prisoners, Finn and Redmond, were dairymen of his ; he had the cow about 18 months."

Well, that answers all my questions. How about y'all?
 
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