Opinion Why Drew Brees never won MVP (3 Viewers)

[RaginCajun83]

Sheesh greatness doesn’t need some stupid trophy to prove they are great

 

[SweetT]

Drew never won MVP bc he did the unthinkable like it was routine or just a normal year for him. Dude was blasting 5K seasons like it was easy. Should’ve won an MVP award, but that’s what happens when you are not a media darling.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I’ve said here before that Drew not winning a MVP will go down as one of the NFL’s biggest travesties (right alongside the Rams No-Call and Bountygate - we seem over represented on the league’s travesty list)

 

[SWAMP_THING]

So if you leave out poor defense/coaching/officiating/bias media, Drew Brees based purely on stats and individual records broken- is the GOAT

 

[SWAMP_THING]

Another point I found striking is how the most prolific QB/offense all time, the 'greater than greatest' show on turf happened to be saddled with the worst defense of all time; the 'baddest of bad defense on turf'..

 

[SWAMP_THING]

Wish Saints fans raised more a stink about that blatant ineptitude, sort of like Caitlin Clark fans demanding accountability...C.C. is as prolific in her sport as Drew was in his which is why I use the comparison

 

[Saint Jack]

Wish Saints fans raised more a stink about that blatant ineptitude, sort of like Caitlin Clark fans demanding accountability...C.C. is as prolific in her sport as Drew was in his which is why I use the comparison

Clark isn’t as prolific. She’s a rookie with no championship. Pro or college.

 

[SWAMP_THING]

Clark isn’t as prolific. She’s a rookie with no championship. Pro or college.

Not referring to rings, champions, purely statistical...most prolific as in gifted players producing most points/yds/first downs/buckets/hole in ones/strikes/homeruns, etc than anyone else at their sport in their prime....unicorns they are called

 

[SWAMP_THING]

Another doozy I never quite understood is the whole time Marino held the passing title it was called 'the holy grail' of all sports bc NFL QB was considered the 'toughest, most cerebral position in all of pro sports'....then Drew beats it repeatedly then it's ho-hum...Drew was a unicorn, should have been more like KC, a dynasty

 

[Saint Jack]

Another doozy I never quite understood is the whole time Marino held the passing title it was called 'the holy grail' of all sports bc NFL QB was considered the 'toughest, most cerebral position in all of pro sports'....then Drew beats it repeatedly then it's ho-hum...Drew was a unicorn, should have been more like KC, a dynasty

At the time, Marino was the only one to get to that threshold.
In Bree’s’ era, you had Drew, Favre, Brady, Big Ben, and Eli hovering around there.

 

[Optimus Prime]

At the time, Marino was the only one to get to that threshold.
In Bree’s’ era, you had Drew, Favre, Brady, Big Ben, and Eli hovering around there.

Isn’t Brees still the only one to do it more than once?

 

[SWAMP_THING]

At the time, Marino was the only one to get to that threshold.
In Bree’s’ era, you had Drew, Favre, Brady, Big Ben, and Eli hovering around there.

Yea I remember, Brees did it first, repeatedly with no names at the time...it's a narrative that helped take shine off Drew's legacy...these other QBs studied Drew and had officials throwing laundry too

 

[Saintman2884]

At the time, Marino was the only one to get to that threshold.
In Bree’s’ era, you had Drew, Favre, Brady, Big Ben, and Eli hovering around there.

Actually Jack, Dan Fouts and Warren Moon, IIRC, in 1980/81, and Moon in 1990, both came very, very close to topping 5,000 passing yards in a single-season. Fouts almost did it a couple of times a couple of years before Marino went pro with that potent, powerful, "Air Coryell" Chargers offenses and Moon, I believe came within maybe 150-200 yards of surpassing 5,000 yards. Dan Marino came within 234 yards of breaking 5,000 passing yards in 1986 on what would ultimately be a mediocre 8-8 Dolphins' squad who was retiring a lot of aging, older, once-great "Killer B's" early-to-mid 80's defensive players like Blackwood Brothers, Kim Bokamper, Bob Baumhower, Kim Betters, A.J. Duhe.

I've always held a strong fascination, affinity for Warren Moon because in many respects, he and his accomplishments, passing style, him being underrated despite his aerial achievements and all the Pro-Bowls, playoff appearances, he was very much a proto-Brees type QB plus the two players respectively had very long, drawn-out successful careers.

Warren Moon was very much underrated and over-looked for many of the same reasons Brees' was throughout their careers except in Moon's case, late 70's institutional NFL racial bias idiotically kept him out of the NFL for 5 forking years and he had to prove his worth to NFL scouts by slogging it out in Winnipeg in the CFL, winning 5 Grey Cups before Houston signed him as a FA in 1984.

 

[ItFan]

The problem I have with it is the incessant flip-flopping on the criteria the voters use to decide who "wins" the MVP depending on who the current media darling is and who's in the running for any given year.

In 2011, Rodgers had a remarkable season and nobody can debate that. However, he trailed Brees in nearly every worthwhile passing category, only holding an edge on interceptions (6 to Brees' 14), QB rating (122.5 to Brees' 110.6) and the overall team record (14-1 to 13-3).

• 1st in QB rating (122.5, NFL record) - Brees was 2nd
• t-2nd in fewest interceptions thrown with (6) - Alex Smith was 1st with 5 and played all 16 games, Brees t-17th
• 5th in passing yards (4,643) - Brees was 1st
• 2nd in pass TD's (45) - Brees was 1st
• 2nd in completion % (68.3) - Brees was 1st
• 10th in completions (343) - Brees was 1st

Meanwhile in addition to Brees leading the league in the majority of the categories above that Rodgers finished 2nd or lower in (passing yards, passing TD's, and completion % which is also referred to as the QB Triple Crown), he also led the league in completions and not only broke, but shattered multiple longstanding NFL records.

• 5,476 passing yards (NFL record) - 27 year old record previously deemed unbreakable
• 342.3 passing ypg (NFL record) - 29 year old record held by Dan Fouts for the 1982 strike-shortened season
• 71.2 completion % (NFL record) - another strike season record that he already tied in 2009 and finally broke
• 7,474 offensive scrimmage yards (NFL record) - 11 year old record set by the "Greatest Show on Turf" Rams

So 1 NFL record and a bunch of 2nd place finishes vs. 4 NFL records and stat leader in the majority of passing categories. And as another poster previously stated, the MVP went to the guy who's back-up would play in Week 17 that year in his absence and would only go on to only throw for 480 yards, 6 TD’s, and a 136.4 QB rating, setting 2 Packers franchise records for passing yards and passing TD's in that single game. That alone showed Rodgers didn’t deserve MVP.

Fast forward to 2018. Mahomes in his first season as a starter has an impeccable season while leading the league or finishing in the top-5 of multiple passing categories (1st in TD's, 5th in completions, 2nd in yards, 2nd in QB rating).

For Brees, although they aren't on par with his previous MVP caliber seasons (due to the offense shifting its identity), Brees still bested Mahomes in every category Rodgers bested him in previously that won him the MVP in 2011, and he also led the league in completion % while breaking his own NFL record from the previous year for a 3rd time.

• Mahomes threw 12 interceptions to Brees' 5, only behind Rodgers' 2
• Mahomes was 2nd in QB rating, Brees was 1st (NFL record)
• Mahomes was 12-4 as a starter, Brees was 13-2 also 1st

That's without having to mention Mahomes went 3-4 against teams with a winning record that year while Brees went 5-1. Mahomes posted 2 4th quarter comebacks and 2 game winning drives while Brees had 6 4th quarter comebacks and 7 game winning drives.

So the criteria the league voted on literally flip flopped. If Rodgers deserved the MVP in 2011 then Brees deserved it in 2018. If Brees didn't deserve it in 2011 then Mahomes didn't deserve it in 2018. Full stop.

Brees should have 2 MVP's (arguably even 3) to his name at minimum.

Mannn, you silenced 99.9% of NFL fans and about 63.363764 of Saints fans with FACTS

 

[44slayer]

Brees had a career of consistency. The stats and leadership were elite every year. Problem is, in his best years team+individual, he ran into another HoF QB having their best year. A lot of circumstance is the reason he never won 1. 3-4 years where he had the numbers and team wins to win it, another QB just had their clear best season and got the award.

The only year he shouldve won was 2009. 2009 was clearly a robbery. All the other years, I have no argument.

People point to 2011 often. That just wasnt close. Brees had a historically great season, but Rodgers went out of body status that year. You cant realistically try to argue 2011 for Brees.