Wicked (1 Viewer)

[Bleu Raeder]

I can see and understand how the Wizard might be seen as the true villian, but is he more misguided genius then some sociopathic, amoral antagonist? He's a deeply flawed individual and sure, from Dorothy's perspective, she'll eventually be used or co-opted to fight the Wicked Witch in a war she doesn't fully understand the deep context of nor the complex world she got magically transported to from Kansas, still that doesn't necessarily excuse Elphaba/Wicked Witch eventually going postal and becoming 5x worse then the Wizard of Oz.I understand Elphaba's reasoning to an extent but not on that deeper, visceral level like X-Men's Magneto. Magneto was a Polish Jewish mutant who survived the Holocaust but lost his family in the process, along with 6 million of his own people. He's right, IMHO, to blame and hate humanity for that GD bullshirt genocide. And its not just the Holocaust people like Magneto can say "Humanity has forked up TIME AND TIME AGAIN. But Elphaba's grievances, while pertinent and understandable, aren't on Magneto's level, IMHO. To me, he never was a villian, just mutants' Malcolm X to Charles Xavier's MLK Jr. Magneto's rage and grievances against humanity, especially as it relates to his fears that it will happen all over again, comes from a very rational, logical place. He's not some amoral, vile insane " chaos anarchist" like the Joker or some brooding, deluded psychopathic spree serial killer mutant like Saber-tooth.All just MHO.

I think you need to read the book.

Both the musical and the movie are derivations of the book and neither dives as deeply into the political conflict Oz is experiencing or the effect that has on Elphaba.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

I enjoyed the Broadway musical, but the constant commercials everywhere and on every channel all the time is driving me crazy.

 

[where yat brah]

We saw the film a couple days ago. We enjoyed it very much. 4* out of 5.

I walked out feeling a bit torn that for my entire like (60 yrs), I have been led to believe that the WWoftheN was a horrible person. Now, I see that she was not always so bad but a byproduct of people's prejudices because of her skin color and unearthly powers that could have been harnessed for good if only the folks around her were more accepting.

 

[livefromDC]

We saw the film a couple days ago. We enjoyed it very much. 4* out of 5.

I walked out feeling a bit torn that for my entire like (60 yrs), I have been led to believe that the WWoftheN was a horrible person. Now, I see that she was not always so bad but a byproduct of people's prejudices because of her skin color and unearthly powers that could have been harnessed for good if only the folks around her were more tolerant.

Nice review. I'd change tolerant to accepting, but yes.

 

[tenordas]

We saw the film a couple days ago. We enjoyed it very much. 4* out of 5.

I walked out feeling a bit torn that for my entire like (60 yrs), I have been led to believe that the WWoftheN was a horrible person. Now, I see that she was not always so bad but a byproduct of people's prejudices because of her skin color and unearthly powers that could have been harnessed for good if only the folks around her were more tolerant.

Um...you do realize the whole thing was just a dream with the witch patterned after the teacher that Dorothy thought hated her, right?

 

[Optimus Prime]

People are upset because they are told not to sing during the musical numbers in the theater

 

[Sun Wukong]

We saw the film a couple days ago. We enjoyed it very much. 4* out of 5.

I walked out feeling a bit torn that for my entire like (60 yrs), I have been led to believe that the WWoftheN was a horrible person. Now, I see that she was not always so bad but a byproduct of people's prejudices because of her skin color and unearthly powers that could have been harnessed for good if only the folks around her were more tolerant.

Keep in mind this has nothing to do with L. Frank Baum's original Oz books. The musical was based on a revisionist novel that was written in the 90s after the characters and setting became public domain. Its high profile fanfiction, essentially.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Keep in mind this has nothing to do with L. Frank Baum's original Oz books. The musical was based on a revisionist novel that was written in the 90s after the characters and setting became public domain. It’s high profile fanfiction, essentially.

There are a ton of revisionist novels of stories/fairy tales etc. written for adults. I think there are several Oz ones

I don’t know if Wicked was better than any of the others but you never know when or why something will strike a chord with the public and take off

 

[Sun Wukong]

There are a ton of revisionist novels of stories/fairy tales etc. written for adults. I think there are several Oz ones

I don’t know if Wicked was better than any of the others but you never know when or why something will strike a chord with the public and take off

The musical became way more notable than the novel. Thats where it really entered the public conciousness.

It also changes a fair bit from the book and is generally less "edge lordy", for lack of a better term. The book isn't great, although it got a bit of hype at the time for the premise and sold well

 

[where yat brah]

Nice review. I'd change tolerant to accepting, but yes.

done

 

[zeetes]

this sounds like some gmr kind of sheet.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

My wife and daughter really enjoyed the movie.

I enjoyed the cringey 'holding space' memes from the bonkers press tour.

 

[Bleu Raeder]

The musical became way more notable than the novel. Thats where it really entered the public conciousness.

It also changes a fair bit from the book and is generally less "edge lordy", for lack of a better term. The book isn't great, although it got a bit of hype at the time for the premise and sold well

I thought the book was pretty good, as reimaginings go.

 

[Sun Wukong]

I thought the book was pretty good, as reimaginings go.

I found a lot of it to be dark and edgy for the sake of dark and edgy. I feel like there's a reason the musical ditches all the sexual stuff and the majority of the dystopian politics. It was a very 90s book.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

my wife has seen the movie 3 times already. she has seen the play multiple times as well.