Would love to see Rizzi get more wins, but we need highest slot in the draft we can get. (13 Viewers)

[St. Geezy]

Is tank or the suggestion of losing on purpose anywhere in the thread title, or is the thread hinting that winning would be ideal...but losing ups our draft status and the higher we pick the better?

Brother not sure if you’re misinterpreting me or think I’m coming at you or something, because I am not, but thread title literally says you want to see Rizzi get more wins but that draft slot status is the priority.

How could you not see how some may think you’re saying that you’d prefer we lose/tank, as the priority? Am I losing my mind here?

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Brother not sure if you’re misinterpreting me or think I’m coming at you or something, because I am not, but thread title literally says you want to see Rizzi get more wins but that draft slot status is the priority.

How could you not see how some may think you’re saying that you’d prefer we lose/tank, as the priority? Am I losing my mind here?

Nah, I just don't see where it mentioned tanking or suggested we lose on purpose which is what tanking is correct? I can see how you'd come to the conclusion, considering all the "tank" threads, and I can even see how one can be conditioned to assume that was what the thread is about, but the talking point outside of the title only asserts that we benefit from losing or am I losing my mind?

 

[Hedon James]

If Rizzi managed to win the next 3 would you reconsider?

I'm with you EJW. I also like what I see from Rizzi and I really want to see him EARN the HC position. I defined "earning it" as going 6-2; or going 5-3 but stealing a win from the Rams, Commanders, or Packers. He has failed (by the skin of his teeth) on 2 out of the 3, but still has a shot at the Packers, so the short answer to your question is "yes"...he'll have met my criteria!

He sure isn't making this an easy decision, for or against his hiring. I see improvement in the team, despite the injured roster, and extrapolating a 5-3 finish by Rizzi over the entire season probably puts the Saints in the playoffs, if not NFCS Champs. That's the good news. The bad news is that we're beating the teams worse than us, and losing to teams better than us....and that sounds very much like DA. But the team does look more competitive, determined, and isn't snatching defeat from the jaws of victory any more.

So I think Rizzi is definitely worthy of consideration, but he hasn't earned it (yet), IMO. And I temper his performance with the knowledge that he's accomplishing this with DA's staff....he didn't fire coordinators or position coaches mid-season, creating more turmoil to resolve; he took the hand he was dealt and is making the best of that. I wonder what he could do with HIS choices....who would he let go? and who would he replace them with? what IS Rizzi's vision for the path forward, and the future of the team? I don't know we'll get to learn his thoughts, but I'd want to know before giving him the job.

OTOH, if he wins the next 3, he's probably going 6-2 in his tenure; or 5-3 with a "stolen" victory over the Packers, and that would make the decision EASY for me. But if that doesn't happen, I hope the Saints will identify and interview ALL viable candidates....INCLUDING RIZZI! I can see the potential appeal of candidates like Brady, Coen, Johnson, Glenn, Kingsbury, and a few others; but they ALL have giant question marks about their ability to become a successful HC. Rizzi has that question mark also, but we have an 8-game body of work, IN HOUSE, to reference. In my mind, he sets the bar to be cleared. Honestly, I think Rizzi is our default "fallback" candidate. He may or may not be our best option, but it's just as likely that our "preferred" option doesn't have mutual interest, for the reasons discussed ad nauseum on this forum. Let's not forget that CSP may have been the Saints top choice, but CSP's preference was Green Bay; and we only got CSP when Green Bay announced Mike McCarthy had been hired. Turns out we were CSP's "consolation prize", so that scenario isn't necessarily a bad thing. Based on what I've seen from this sheet-show of a 2024 season, I can live with Rizzi if that is our best option available this offseason.

What I REALLY want is a new GM, and a new GM will likely pick a HC who isn't already in the building. But if we're stuck with Loomis, I think Rizzi is a front-runner because Loomis likes familiarity. And if Rizzi is the guy, he'll either be great and Loomis will be safe again; or Rizzi will fail, and that will be 2 consecutive failed HC hires, which is usually enough to get a new GM. I'm good with either outcome. JMO...

 

[St. Geezy]

Nah, I just don't see where it mentioned tanking or suggested we lose on purpose which is what tanking is. I can see how you'd come to the conclusion, but the thread itself only asserts that we benefit from losing or am I losing my mind?

Yeah I don’t mean to infer tanking as “losing on purpose” but rather more of a fan-wish, rooting for losses” sort of thing.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Yeah I don’t mean to infer tanking as “losing on purpose” but rather more of a fan-wish, rooting for losses” sort of thing.

Nah, I'm not rooting for losses either. Just pointing out how having a higher picks in the draft can be of use and how it benefits the team overall. So, I guess in essence saying I'd love to see more wins for Rizzi, I absolutely hope we beat the Packers, however losing IMHO isn't hurting our case for next year OR this one for that matter.

 

[GW93]

 

[kcirdor]

that's rain

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Hilarious love Herm Edwards meme's

that's rain

I love that scene...Shake it fast but watch yourself "in my most caucasian voice"

 

[SWJJ]

I REALLY want to beat thepackers.

I am also in the playoffs in my FF league up 28 points and the other guy has Jacobs and Doubs.

a 3-0 win with virtually no offense sounds great to me!

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

I REALLY want to beat thepackers.

I am also in the playoffs in my FF league up 28 points and the other guy has Jacobs and Doubs.

a 3-0 win with virtually no offense sounds great to me!

Cheers to that. I think a win here for Rizzi could be a signature one that furthers his case.

 

[sfidc3]

I’m in the DC area for the holidays, going to my younger son’s place to watch the game, he’s having some friends over that used to watch games at our place back in the day so it will be a bit sentimental for me….I want them to win tonight for sure, we will see what happens….

 

[St.Dan]

My prediction of 6-11 when Rizzi started looks like it's going to happen. We don't have the roster to win tonight. We MIGHT have the roster to beat the Raiders, however. This last one against the Bucs might well hinge on how badly the Bucs want to be there. Either way, I like our likely draft position in the first round (around tenth or so). I would be quite satisfied with picking 10th or 11th. There's surely an o-line or d-line stud to be had there.

 

[44slayer]

Cheers to that. I think a win here for Rizzi could be a signature one that furthers his case.

Honest question, what is it about Rizzi that has you campaigning for him? Im asking because I want to know what people see in him that isnt just Dennis Allen on Pixy Stix. No shade, Id just like to know where its coming from or what he brings that I might be missing.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Honest question, what is it about Rizzi that has you campaigning for him? Im asking because I want to know what people see in him that isnt just Dennis Allen on Pixy Stix. No shade, Id just like to know where its coming from or what he brings that I might be missing.

Well, I think of the 10 coaches hired in 2022 5 remain and only 3(Bowles, McDaniel, Hackett) aren't on the hot seat. Pederson will potentially be fired once the season ends and who knows what happens to Dabol. So you're looking at a 30% chance that the guy you'll hire will retain that position in 3 years.

The Saints have a middle of the road roster, with some aging pieces and an average QB situation(though Carr has been a top 6 QB this year). Draft capital isn't premium , but salary cap restraints won't allow for the next head coach to truly transform the roster like was done in 2006.

For reference Payton brought in 30 new players including FA, Draft class, and trades in 2006. He was able to mold the roster to his liking.

The next HC will be a bit limited and will be forced to work w/ the current roster + a few additions. He'll be tasked w/ elevating the current roster more than overhauling it. Which, funny enough makes the whole "overhaul" thing everyone is wanting virtually impossible until we clear the cap and get rid of some veterans. Which isn't happening for at least one more year.


There's a 30% chance you can do better than Rizzi and there's a 70% chance you can do worse. I see his floor as being no worse than the other guys that got fired, but his ceiling being higer than say a Todd Bowles. More importantly he fits as a guy that can work within the current constraints of the organization.

 

[SaintStephen1]

But you have to take a shot at getting a better one don't you? Same at QB.