Young couple goes on van tour of US, boy comes back with van - no girl (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You

For all those people who find it more convenient to bother you with their question rather than to Google it for themselves.

bfy.tw

But just used that as one example of available listening tech.

I think LE subpoena of device information has to be tailored to a specific issue in the investigation. For example, location data can confirm or dispute where a person was, or a person's alibi. But the predicate for the seizure has to be laid out and cannot simply be a fishing expedition. I think police would have to first confirm that there's a relevant device and then get the warrant based on probable cause to search the device's data or recordings that they will obtain by subpoena to the device company (in cases of where the material is available that way, i.e. cloud or company servers).

I'm sure this varies by state and even by judge, but simply saying "there's a device in the house that may have recorded things Brian said to his parents" doesn't strike me as a proper predicate for a warrant.

However, I do know that some device and data companies have a law enforcement policy that doesn't necessarily require a subpoena. So that may be more accommodating.

 

[tomwaits]

I think LE subpoena of device information has to be tailored to a specific issue in the investigation. For example, location data can confirm or dispute where a person was, or a person's alibi. But the predicate for the seizure has to be laid out and cannot simply be a fishing expedition. I think police would have to first confirm that there's a relevant device and then get the warrant based on probable cause to search the device's data or recordings that they will obtain by subpoena to the device company (in cases of where the material is available that way, i.e. cloud or company servers).

I'm sure this varies by state and even by judge, but simply saying "there's a device in the house that may have recorded things Brian said to his parents" doesn't strike me as a proper predicate for a warrant.

However, I do know that some device and data companies have a law enforcement policy that doesn't necessarily require a subpoena. So that may be more accommodating.

Unless its a FISA warrant where they basically rubber stamp any request. I don't think case applies there.

 

[Tapxe]

I think LE subpoena of device information has to be tailored to a specific issue in the investigation. For example, location data can confirm or dispute where a person was, or a person's alibi. But the predicate for the seizure has to be laid out and cannot simply be a fishing expedition. I think police would have to first confirm that there's a relevant device and then get the warrant based on probable cause to search the device's data or recordings that they will obtain by subpoena to the device company (in cases of where the material is available that way, i.e. cloud or company servers).

I'm sure this varies by state and even by judge, but simply saying "there's a device in the house that may have recorded things Brian said to his parents" doesn't strike me as a proper predicate for a warrant.

However, I do know that some device and data companies have a law enforcement policy that doesn't necessarily require a subpoena. So that may be more accommodating.

I assumed there would be some legal procedures around it.

Thanks for the info.

 

[superchuck500]

Unless its a FISA warrant where they basically rubber stamp any request. I don't think case applies there.

You don't think this is a foreign intelligence case that relates to a foreign power or US citizens ostensibly involved in a crime involving a foreign power?

I agree.

 

[superchuck500]

Apparently LE is going back to the reserve today.

I suppose the comment yesterday about having "exhausted" the search was overstated? Or perhaps they have new evidence that points to him being there, which warrants additional doubling back?

 

[tomwaits]

You don't think this is a foreign intelligence case that relates to a foreign power or US citizens ostensibly involved in a crime involving a foreign power?

I agree.

I don't, but the power has been abused in the past, so who knows how government types may see it especially now that Peru is so heavily involved in this case.

 

[DaveXA]

You sure about that?

Are Ring Cameras Always Recording?

Ring Cameras do not record continuously. Instead, they record when they detect motion if you have a Ring Protect Plan. If your camera is hardwired, you can adjust how long it records for.

smarthomestarter.com

Yes, but my cameras are outside the house, so...

 

[Bleu Raeder]

Yes, but my cameras are outside the house, so...

Ours are too and they record a fair amount because of motion. However, they do not record anything inside the house and fail to pick up motion on one from a nearby window, which I find interesting.

As mentioned by @Mr. Blue Sky, Siri and Alexa are not Ring devices, but they may record stuff. Both Apple and Amazon have been sued over the listening habits of these devices for being too intrusive. (I've no idea the results of those lawsuits.) Amazon has even set Alexa up to listen for breaking glass and other sounds which might indicate intrusion or fire.

I know there has been some precedence lately on whether or not these recordings can be subpoenaed in criminal investigations.

Alexa, Do You Have Rights? Legal Issues Posed by Voice-Controlled Devices and the Data They Create

The decision to use digital assistants may present a Faustian bargain. While these technologies offer great potential for improving quality of life, they also present privacy risks by perpetually collecting data and transmitting it to third parties.

www.americanbar.org

 

[efil4stnias]

Apparently LE is going back to the reserve today.

I suppose the comment yesterday about having "exhausted" the search was overstated? Or perhaps they have new evidence that points to him being there, which warrants additional doubling back?

maybe exhausted the manual search - ie walking the reserve with men/women and dogs etc.

Possibly now have pinged his cell ( if on him ) to get a better idea of where to search?

 

[superchuck500]

maybe exhausted the manual search - ie walking the reserve with men/women and dogs etc.

Possibly now have pinged his cell ( if on him ) to get a better idea of where to search?

I think if he's truly on the run and trying not to get caught, he isn't using a phone - but who knows what a mental murderer is doing.

I would imagine the most effective thing to do would be a burner phone if he had time to get one, and leaving it off unless absolutely necessary. He might have had time to do that during those first few days home. But even if he didn't, he could just have his phone off.

 

[tomwaits]

maybe exhausted the manual search - ie walking the reserve with men/women and dogs etc.

Possibly now have pinged his cell ( if on him ) to get a better idea of where to search?

If this guy is walking around with his cell on him, he has a better case for being mentally disturbed.

 

[kat5s]

Apparently LE is going back to the reserve today.

I suppose the comment yesterday about having "exhausted" the search was overstated? Or perhaps they have new evidence that points to him being there, which warrants additional doubling back?

...and yesterday afternoon the Laundrie's lawyer canceled the press conference he had originally scheduled for 1pm EDT today after talking with the FBI...

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

Ours are too and they record a fair amount because of motion. However, they do not record anything inside the house and fail to pick up motion on one from a nearby window, which I find interesting.

As mentioned by @Mr. Blue Sky, Siri and Alexa are not Ring devices, but they may record stuff. Both Apple and Amazon have been sued over the listening habits of these devices for being too intrusive. (I've no idea the results of those lawsuits.) Amazon has even set Alexa up to listen for breaking glass and other sounds which might indicate intrusion or fire.

I know there has been some precedence lately on whether or not these recordings can be subpoenaed in criminal investigations.

Alexa, Do You Have Rights? Legal Issues Posed by Voice-Controlled Devices and the Data They Create

The decision to use digital assistants may present a Faustian bargain. While these technologies offer great potential for improving quality of life, they also present privacy risks by perpetually collecting data and transmitting it to third parties.

www.americanbar.org

For me personally, i dont even really have to say anything.. i can literally just think a thought about a product, and an hour later an ad for that exact product will show up when I’m scrolling online .. happens way too often , and is usually way too specific to be a coincidence.. i am not even really exaggerating that much, it seems as though Siri and the like have the ability to read consumers’ minds.

 

[superchuck500]

...and yesterday afternoon the Laundrie's lawyer canceled the press conference he had originally scheduled for 1pm EDT today after talking with the FBI...

Did the parents return to the house yesterday?

 

[kat5s]

Something I have not read but wondered if wildlife disturbed the body? Between eagles, bears or wolves they are constantly devouring carcasses, often rangers will have to remove carcasses that are close to public areas to protect the public.

and if so, might it affect the autopsy results/conclusions?