Study Links 45,000 U.S. Deaths a year to lack of Insurance (1 Viewer)

[BIG E]

I'm not trying to argue, but I do want to understand some points here:1. The people didn't die of lack of health care. They perhaps died of a condition which could have been identified IF they had coverage and went in to get checked. I'm not trying to be a wise guy but that is a giant leap of logic. Would medical coverage have saved them or were they going to die anyway? I don't know the details or how they reached these conclusions.2. If we approach this from a legal standpoint (DUI/seatbelt analogy), do we simply make it a law that a person must have medical insurance? Wouldn't that be better than a completely government subsidized program?3. I really do care about people w/o coverage but if there are 45 million people w/o coverage how can the government pay for this? This is a huge problem that I think will burden the government.4. What level of care does anyone think government coverage will provide? I have visions of VA hospitals and waiting lines which take hours to get through. I am just trying to think is it realistic to think we can fix this through government programs?5. What about people with medical coverage who don't go to the hospital and die? What do we do about the stubborn? I am making a silly point here but why should the government take responsibility? What are the alternatives to a wholesale government program providing health care?

Not only would you have to make everyone get insurance you would have to make them use it. Some people do not like going to the doctor and won't go until it is too late.

 

[Flipx99]

How much is one life worth? That is what we're trying to quantify here, right?

I don't think so.

 

[zenshin]

I admit to taking the leap that since we destroyed their economies and infrastructure, displaced all of their jobs, pay all of their governmental and military salaries, are rebuilding schools and hospitals and other infrastructure that we were, in fact, paying for their health care.

I guess it's conceivable that they're paying for it themselves with money we've given or "loaned" them or that all the items you see in WalMart marked "made in Iraq/Afghanistan" are enough to pay it.

I do sometimes make stupid assumptions.

Obviously you assume that these countries have no means of supporting themselves what so ever. Please do not forget that both countries do produce oil, which costs a couple of bucks last I checked. Not that the US isn't assisting these countries, but to say that we're their sole means of financial support only insults the people of these countries.

So, yes, dumb assumption, and yet your comeback seems to be equally lacking of actual facts.

 

[Jeff Miller]

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE58G6W520090917

http://pnhp.org/excessdeaths/health-insurance-and-mortality-in-US-adults.pdf



Even if it is partially flawed, even if it is half of what the results say, its unacceptable. People shouldn't be dying because they cant afford medical coverage.

This just in...Life reports that everyone with insurance...dies.

 

[gaminerie]

People died before medical coverage/insurance existed. People who have insurance, even great insurance, still die at a pretty good clip. and they will continue to do so.

Insurance, or lack thereof, does not in-and-of-itself kill people.

 

[dtc]

Obviously you assume that these countries have no means of supporting themselves what so ever. Please do not forget that both countries do produce oil, which costs a couple of bucks last I checked. Not that the US isn't assisting these countries, but to say that we're their sole means of financial support only insults the people of these countries.

So, yes, dumb assumption, and yet your comeback seems to be equally lacking of actual facts.

Why not post up something that shows my statements to be false instead of smugly assuming.

I mean, you are wrong and we are pretty much supporting the entire economy of both countries. Afghanistan's #1 cash crop is Opium, btw.

 

[zenshin]

Why not post up something that shows my statements to be false instead of smugly assuming.

I mean, you are wrong and we are pretty much supporting the entire economy of both countries. Afghanistan's #1 cash crop is Opium, btw.

I am not sure how you can accuse me of being wrong. I asked you to provide proof of American tax dollars paying for the healthcare of Iraqi/Afghan people. You admitted you embellished your facts.

As for opium, it is 35% of the GDP of Afghanistan, which is a tremendous portion. I don't believe I ever attempted to say otherwise. Oil is a form of income for the country. Along with natural gas, precious and semi precious stones, wool, cotton and other items.

The country of Afghanistan is far from dependant on US dollars. To date, only around 4-5 billion dollars have been given to the Afghan people. Far less than promised. 2008 GDP for Afghanistan was approximately 12.8 billion.

here is a helpful link to support some of the information I have provided:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Afghanistan

I can summarize Iraq too, if you'd like.

 

[saint-58]

This just in...Life reports that everyone with insurance...dies.

I'm amazed and disappointed!!!!!!!

It took three pages for someone to point out the obvious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Short story-

Have a good friend who lost his wife some six years ago due to an aneurism. She had been having pains, but was one of those people who refused to go to the Dr. for anything. The last time she had been to the Dr. was over thirty years ago when she had a baby. He had full coverage insurance, but she still refused to go. She died at home when the aneurism burst. She was only 56 years old.

I know others like her who also have medical coverage, but won't take advantage of it.

I am in favor of some type of change in the insurance coverage issue, but to state that people are dying simply cause they don't have insurance is kind of a stretch.

 

[Saint77]

What was kinda funny to me was a couple of weeks ago, Obama was going around saying X amount of people who lose their jobs, lose their insurance x amount of time later.

o rly?

 

[BIG E]

Why not post up something that shows my statements to be false instead of smugly assuming.

I mean, you are wrong and we are pretty much supporting the entire economy of both countries. Afghanistan's #1 cash crop is Opium, btw.

What was Afghanistan's economy based on before we invaded them?