My case against Jarvis Jones (1 Viewer)

[St. Widge]

the bad teams from the Big East that the SEC teams can't seem to beat in said bowl games, those bad SEC teams?

I don't have any SEC hate or bias. I just get sick of bias on either side, both pro or against, whether it's LSU or the SEC. I root for SEC teams all the time depending on the match ups. Admittedly, I don't root for Alabama because I dislike Saban. I didn't root for Auburn because I can't stand Cam Newton. LSU playing A&M in the Cotton Bowl? I'm rooting for LSU. Florida playing Ohio State? I'm rooting for Florida.

However, bias and hatred directed at all thing Atlanta Falcons is perfectly legitimate and acceptable

I'm not even going to argue with you if you are actually going to try to tell me that the Big East is even close to the level of the SEC, Pac 10, Big 12 or Big 10. The Big East is closer to CUSA than those conferences. And, I went to the Sugar Bowl this year. It was clear that Louisville was playing that game like a National Championship game. It was equally clear that Florida was disappointed to be there and just wanted to party.

And I'm not a "SEC fan" for the record. I actively root against all SEC teams other than LSU and Florida and that's because I went to school at both of those schools. And, I have a burning hatred for Alabama that began when I was probably 5 years old and has never ended. I even wanted Notre Dame to beat them this year although I knew they had no chance. I just get tired of all of the back lash whenever anyone mentions a player from LSU or the SEC in a positive light.

But, in the end, I'm not even sure why I'm having this argument. It suddenly really seems like a silly argument to have.

 

[CaliSaint4Life]

Dunlap and Fairley are really good players. As for Jones, he's not "my guy" but if we pick him, I'd understand and I can't say I'd be upset.

 

[St. Geezy]

Dunlap and Fairley are really good players. As for Jones, he's not "my guy" but if we pick him, I'd understand and I can't say I'd be upset.

They've been solid, I'll give you that.

But they're also freak athletes. Dunlap is 6-6 280 and ran a 4.7. Fairley is 6-4 298 pounds and notably ran a 4.84, which despite being nearly 300 pounds, is also faster than Jones' time.

If anything, this helps prove my "theory" and is something I should have noted in the original post.

 

[2009ring]

I'm not even going to argue with you if you are actually going to try to tell me that the Big East is even close to the level of the SEC, Pac 10, Big 12 or Big 10. The Big East is closer to CUSA than those conferences. And, I went to the Sugar Bowl this year. It was clear that Louisville was playing that game like a National Championship game. It was equally clear that Florida was disappointed to be there and just wanted to party.

And I'm not a "SEC fan" for the record. I actively root against all SEC teams other than LSU and Florida and that's because I went to school at both of those schools. And, I have a burning hatred for Alabama that began when I was probably 5 years old and has never ended. I even wanted Notre Dame to beat them this year although I knew they had no chance. I just get tired of all of the back lash whenever anyone mentions a player from LSU or the SEC in a positive light.

But, in the end, I'm not even sure why I'm having this argument. It suddenly really seems like a silly argument to have.

My guess is that you and I probably agree in more ways than we think we do.

 

[2009ring]

The problem is that they are always cherry picked stats that ignore the larger picture. Moreover, he didn't even give a site or give the context of the stats.

Click on the link right below the stats. It's the source I copied and pasted from.

 

[CaliSaint4Life]

They've been solid, I'll give you that.

But they're also freak athletes. Dunlap is 6-6 280 and ran a 4.7. Fairley is 6-4 298 pounds and notably ran a 4.84, which despite being nearly 300 pounds, is also faster than Jones' time.

If anything, this helps prove my "theory" and is something I should have noted in the original post.

Jones is quick in short areas though, which is what you need to rush the passer.

Look, I'm not huge Jarvis Jones guy, that's quite documented - but I won't deny the fact that he can rush the passer. He has heavy hands and he still has a ton of room to develop in terms of pass rushing moves.

 

[Nightshade]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saintaholic

Man, since when did backing up arguments with stats become equated with "obsession" on this forum? It takes like two minutes to get this kind of info. Good God.

The problem is that they are always cherry picked stats that ignore the larger picture. Moreover, he didn't even give a site or give the context of the stats.

When you create more than 1 thread on how you hate a guy and combine that with close to if not over 100 posts ranting against a guy in a short period of time is "obsessed"

We get it you hate him but you seem to have a major problem with anyone who likes him and in your warped attempts to try to impose your hatred on the guy to everyone else you're coming off as a nut case.

If you aren't obseesed then just let it go.


Posted from Saintsreport.com App for Android

 

[crosswatt]

By the way, I think we have a bit of revisionist history going on with Pollack here. It's fair to say he wasn't a bust, but 4 1/2 in his one and only season isn't anything to brag about.

To be fair, Pollack only started six games in his career. He is by definition a bust, but is one due to injury. And if we had a defensive end who, as a rookie, started five games, put up four and a half sacks, a forced fumble, and a pass defensed, I think we would be pretty excited about his future.

 

[St. Geezy]

When you create more than 1 thread on how you hate a guy and combine that with close to if not over 100 posts ranting against a guy in a short period of time is "obsessed"

We get it you hate him but you seem to have a major problem with anyone who likes him and in your warped attempts to try to impose your hatred on the guy to everyone else you're coming off as a nut case.

If you aren't obseesed then just let it go.


Posted from Saintsreport.com App for Android

Usually, when people ask me questions, I like to respond. Sorry if that makes me obsessed. If you don't like the station, change the channel.

And also, for the record, this is actually the first time I have made a thread about Jarvis Jones. I've actually only replied to other threads with this info. I just figured that the analysis may be a better discussion point as a stand-alone thread focused on this particular topic rather than as a buried reply.

I guess I just misinterpreted just how much exposure those replies got or the impact they've made.

 

[Javon7143]

I don't know many NFL players successful at Austins weight. Other than D. Jackson...there might not be any in the league. Jackson has been nicked up as the result of it. Now you have Austin who is going to get carries behind the line of scrimmage? Yikes. I think that Austin is a fantastic player...but it is a big question as to whether or not he has an NFL body.

What is with you people and his weight? Yes he's 175lbs lol. He's NOT a running back. He will NOT be taking hand offs out of the backfield from whomever drafts him unless it's a reverse or option of some sort ... even then, he's shown the ability to be smart enough to go down instead of being murdered. Does he have an NFL body.. maybe not. Does he have the bronze and brains, yes, I think so. Guys like Antoine Winfield, Steve Smith, Wes Welker are only 5 and 10lbs more. Albeit an inch or 2 taller. Feed him a couple burgers for a week, bam, 5lbs gained. 180lbs.

 

[RazorOye]

To be fair, Pollack only started six games in his career. He is by definition a bust, but is one due to injury. And if we had a defensive end who, as a rookie, started five games, put up four and a half sacks, a forced fumble, and a pass defensed, I think we would be pretty excited about his future.

a fair point about Pollack. It seems to me that collectively, we're making a pretty good case that despite the OP's "theory" that there are some noteworthy, contributing players that also put up decent sack numbers

the longer this thread goes on, we could probably assemble a pretty decent pass rush

Since 1980, these players are among the top 20 in NCAA career sack totals:

Derrick Thomas
Tedy Bruschi
Bruce Smith
Terrell Suggs
Simeon Rice
Jason Babin

That's not a bad list of pass rushers.

Sacks aren't the only determinant of success. LT's best university year wouldn't put him in the top 20.

Lots of sacks don't mean NFL success. But they don't mean NFL failure, either. There's a few guys on that list above who put up NFL numbers I'd love to see the Saints produce.

 

[St. Geezy]

To be fair, Pollack only started six games in his career. He is by definition a bust, but is one due to injury. And if we had a defensive end who, as a rookie, started five games, put up four and a half sacks, a forced fumble, and a pass defensed, I think we would be pretty excited about his future.

That's fair. He though he only started 5 games as a rookie, he did play in 14 games, but I think the little we saw of him can arguably qualify as being enough to get excited about what his future prospects would have been at that point. That's 3 1/2 more sacks than Cam Jordan had in his rookie year.

For reference - at 6-2 265 pounds, Pollack was a 4.7 guy by the way.

 

[newiberiasaint]

That's why I had said that the sack number can be misleading. I have seen tape on Jones where he comes off the edge and the Left Tackle is looking the other way, therefore he has a clean shot at the QB. This has happened many times. Georgia's D was loaded with talented bigs and speed. Jones reaped the benefits many times.

You can say the same thing about Mingo because LSU's defense was loaded the last 2 years. So, how do we know Mingo will be great?

 

[Suavecito8]

This thread is going in circles.