Preseason 1 Report Card

[BBarnes]

Hill: C
He looked more mature than last year. Seemed confident and had some good passes. No denying he has a strong arm. Still struggling to get through progressions and stairs down receivers. His interception was a miscommunication with the WR. Not sure if it was his or WRs fault.

Winston: C
He started slow but got into a groove. He threw some good passes and seemed confident as well. He has a strong arm as well. He seems to have happy feet and holds on to the ball too long. His interception is the same Winston we saw in Tampa. I saw it as an under throw or back shoulder throw and some are sayin he had to because of a safety and corner in front of him. He had a DB on his back shoulder as well. He shouldn’t have forced it.


Book: C+
He looked way more confident and comfortable than I thought he would. He seemed to understand the O and had nice touch on his short passes. Had a couple bad throws but he was also having to run around a lot with the poor O line. He forced that last ball but nobody plays for a tie in preseason. He had nice touch and reminded me a little of Brees with footwork and always looking down field. I think he should get a shot in practice with the ones here and there.


Over all it was underwhelming and I hope someone steps up and takes the job. It’s hard coming from Brees to this and we are spoiled but at this point I think our future isn’t in the building.

Interesting. On the radio they were adamant that it was the receivers fault on Winston’s pick as well as Hill’s

 

[LiterOCola]

Edit: I looked at the wrong scoring drive. My argument was dumb.

 

[saint_drago]

Fair assessment. They all had some good moments. The thing that really stood out to me was seeing the ball flying down the field. Winston and Hill were both able to zip the ball downfield effortlessly.

You have to think that the ability to throw the ball 10+ yards is going to beneficial.

 

[JackDiesel]

How can you have that opinion if you watched the first drive of the game? He made the plays that were there on the drive, he was the offense, what more do you want? Outside their good drives they both had problems.

Having watched the first drive multiple times it's pretty easy to have that opinion. That first drive was quick easy throws to his first read on every play. Snap, look at his first read and throw. Yes his throw on the run to Callaway was beautiful but it'll take more than that to be a starter.

The issue for him has always been going through his progressions, reading the defense, fundamentals and throwing the deep ball. And as soon as he was taken out of his comfort zone of quick throws he struggled. His INT he made a bad read of the defense and threw the route like the RB was going against man-to-man instead of zone. He only went through his progressions twice out of all of his dropbacks, one resulted in a nice third down conversion, the other resulted in an ugly dump off pass attempt to the RB. His fundamentals still haven't improved much either, that almost INT was a bad footwork which resulted in a terrible throw.

Next week will be more telling when he has to play without a receiver like Callaway. When his first read isn't open can he read the coverage right, go through his progressions and make an accurate throw. I'd also like to see Payton put in a play action deep shot play, can he get it deep or will he underthrow the WR.

 

[Stalwart385]

Having watched the first drive multiple times it's pretty easy to have that opinion. That first drive was quick easy throws to his first read on every play. Snap, look at his first read and throw. Yes his throw on the run to Callaway was beautiful but it'll take more than that to be a starter.

The issue for him has always been going through his progressions, reading the defense, fundamentals and throwing the deep ball. And as soon as he was taken out of his comfort zone of quick throws he struggled. His INT he made a bad read of the defense and threw the route like the RB was going against man-to-man instead of zone. He only went through his progressions twice out of all of his dropbacks, one resulted in a nice third down conversion, the other resulted in an ugly dump off pass attempt to the RB. His fundamentals still haven't improved much either, that almost INT was a bad footwork which resulted in a terrible throw.

Next week will be more telling when he has to play without a receiver like Callaway. When his first read isn't open can he read the coverage right, go through hisprogressions and make an accurate throw. I'd also like to see Payton put in a play action deep shot play, can he get it deep or will he underthrow the WR.

They were the same type of throws that got Jameis down the field on his drive. If your first read is open and you throw it to him, is there something wrong with that?

 

[JackDiesel]

They were the same type of throws that got Jameis down the field on his drive. If your first read is open and you throw it to him, is there something wrong with that?

No. My point was as soon as Taysom had to do something other than throw it to his first read, his level of play dropped significantly.

 

[Stalwart385]

No. My point was as soon as Taysom had to do something other than throw it to his first read, his level of play dropped significantly.

One bad dump off and a third down conversion? Going off what you said.

 

[No2DC]

They were the same type of throws that got Jameis down the field on his drive. If your first read is open and you throw it to him, is there something wrong with that?

According to Nick, Jameis went through his progressions more often. He has a brief breakdown of the film:

NewOrleans.Football

neworleans.football

 

[Stalwart385]

According to Nick, Jameis went through his progressions more often. He has a brief breakdown of the film:

NewOrleans.Football

neworleans.football

Yeah I read it. Don't question Jameis going through his progressions. They are different QBs with different playstyles. In the end they still had the same amount of good and bad throws.

 

[JackDiesel]

One bad dump off and a third down conversion? Going off what you said.

Sure, if you chose to ignore the INT thanks to not reading the defense properly and the almost INT thanks to sloppy technique.

 

[demented]

I still think there's a huge difference in the quality of Winston's good throws. He leads his receivers open when he's hot and I just don't see that with Taysom. Taysom seems to do better on timing throws to spots while Winston likes to hit crossers.