That 200K ICE engine isn't exactly a sure bet not to need expensive repairs. Replace the batteries which hopefully will have a secondary market by then and use the money you save on gas to cover the difference.
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The technology on recycling EV batteries at the end of their useful vehicle life is enhancing every year. And so is duration of useful life - most estimates are now in the 200K mile range, but it could be more than that as the batteries' life life is more based on time in use than mileage covered and we're now in the 12 to 15 year range. But if you're talking about end of life options, I'm not sure there's that much resale from a money standpoint on a 12 year old ICE with 200,000 miles on it. You do have a point that the vehicle is still largely operable at that time if it has been maintained (though continued operation costs will keep climbing).
But it does seem a bit odd that someone would choose not to buy an EV based on a perception of what the car will be worth 12 years from now after they have put 200,000 miles on it. And perhaps more importantly, the technology is evolving so quickly - we're still in the fairly steep upward curve on development - these assumptions now might be completely irrelevant by 2035 when this 12 year timeline we're talking about ends.
There are certainly other good reasons not to, but that one isn't that persuasive to me.
I just read a couple of interesting articles on things recently learned. One could use charge then rapid discharge sequences to revitalize dead lithium pockets for ~30% longer life of current batteries. 12-15 years becomes 16-20 if it works.
The other identifies failure causes to insufficient purity and build mechanisms. Lithium being a softer metal is able to snake thru and short circuit where bends and impurities create weak points. Improvements in architecture and build processes could reasonably be expected to extend performance from study and manufacturing.
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Ford way overplayed its hand in raising prices a ton last year. In December, I was sitting in the dealership about to overpay for a Mach e. We were $3000 apart and neither would budge, so I walked. So glad I did. Even at the price I was ready to pay was way more than I can get one now.
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Have some EV quirks and features...
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More EVs made eligible for revised $7,500 tax credit - Autoblog
The Treasury Department made several additional vehicles eligible for up to $7,500 in tax credits by revising its vehicle classifications.
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The article says “good news.” I am not sure that this is good news for consumers who wants a Tesla Y or a MachE in the long run. One reason for Tesla dropped their Model Y price almost $20,000 is to be under the $55,000 threshold for a sedan. Now that the Model Y considered a SUV, my guess that its price will go up.More EVs made eligible for revised $7,500 tax credit - Autoblog
The Treasury Department made several additional vehicles eligible for up to $7,500 in tax credits by revising its vehicle classifications.
A bet a buffalo nickel that study was compiled by some guy with a degree in economics and a career consulting and work with/for Republican politicians...This is not good on the tail of all the issues with cold weather this winter.
EVs now cost more to drive 100 miles than ICE cars.Driving 100 Miles in an EV Is Now More Expensive Than in an ICE
No longer needing to buy gasoline is one of the most convincing selling points for potential electric vehicle customers. It’s easy to conclude that owning an EV and recharging at home is cheaper than using a car powered by an internal combustion engine. The conclusion is correct if a driver...www.yahoo.com
The difference gets worse when you consider the long term implications of replacing the batteries in an EV
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Ford Mustang Mach-E has a mile of wires it doesn't need. That's a big deal
Ford showed this week that it's not going to be as easy for traditional automakers to catch Tesla in the race to build the better electric vehicle, despite what Tesla's doubters think.
www.cnn.comthats a heck of a blunder i would think...
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Except its always easier and cheaper to replace than recycle. I just hope in our push to embrace EV's we aren't going to create a tsunami of potentially new environmental issues. The US Government is keen on backing the push to EV, but I've seen very little when it comes to the sustainment side and plans for sound investment in recycling of the thousands of tons of batteries that are going to be generated as waste as part of this wave. What if these battery manufactures find a way to eliminate Colbalt from the cells? Without the most expensive component is there still an incentive to recycle?
The Race To Crack Battery Recycling—Before It’s Too Late
Millions of EVs will soon hit the road, but the world isn’t ready for their old batteries. A crop of startups wants to crack this billion-dollar problem.
This article gives some good insight on the push to develop methods to recycling all the current lithium-ion batteries. Unfortunately, none of these recycling methods can bring an old lithium-ion cell back to life. Right now, it's just extracting components so a replacement cell can be made. However, only something like 5% (https://cen.acs.org/materials/energy-storage/time-serious-recycling-lithium/97/i28) of the cell can be "recycled" so there are still some serious waste issues to be solved but we are already pretty far down the road.
I'm certainly on board with creating alternatives to our energy demands. I'd just like to see a more comprehensive plan to address this issue on the spent cells.
Every negative for an EV is pretty much a negative for ICE. They both use the same metals. The EV just uses more. The difference is what happens after you start the engine and the endless damage to the planet caused by the petroleum industry that far exceeds what mining for battery metals does.
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Ford Mustang Mach-E has a mile of wires it doesn't need. That's a big deal
Ford showed this week that it's not going to be as easy for traditional automakers to catch Tesla in the race to build the better electric vehicle, despite what Tesla's doubters think.
thats a heck of a blunder i would think...
I’ve been dealing with Ford’s leadership and IT for 5 years. None of this surprises me. The entire company is bass ackwards. IMO this is one of those situations where they look for ways to do things with cheap up front costs and it ends up costing them dearly down the line.
No wonder Alan Mulally left. He fixed a lot of their internal issues but it seems much of those problems have returned.
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