Titanic submersible es morte (3 Viewers)

[Saintman2884]

Uh yeah sure, the character in Vonnegut’s novel bearing his soul and his reasons for betraying his country during WWII using Marxist class rhetoric to a morally horrendous regime that actually despised and hated Marxism.

He’s hardly some honorable person to be quoting anything meaningful from a deep moral/ethical perspective. To the Nazis? Yeah sure, whatever.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

The man or character in Vonnegut's novel spouting off Marxist-styled class-warfare rhetoric is hardly some moral/ethical person himself considering he's a traitor, a sellout, and bearing his soul and justifying his decisions to do so to a cause, regime, that did unspeakable, horrendous things to Jews, homosexuals, Gypsies, Soviet, Allied POWs, ordinary German political dissidents who were taken into "protective custody", Poles, Czechs, anyone who opposed or spoke out against Nazis grand Volkstaat, or VolksGemenieShaat, " people's ethnic community" or opposed the concentration camps, overcrowded, squalid disease-riden Polish ghettos, or the death camps laid out in perfect, meticulous, bureaucratic order and planning after the Wannasee Conference.

If he was going to truly sellout or betray his country with those kinds of sentiments, it would made a lot more sense to defect to the Soviet Union before and after WWII.

Are you sad you weren’t alive during the House Unamerican Activities Committee hearings?
It seems like you would have enjoyed those

 

[jboss]

The man or character in Vonnegut's novel spouting off Marxist-styled class-warfare rhetoric is hardly some moral/ethical person himself considering he's a traitor, a sellout, and bearing his soul and justifying his decisions to do so to a cause, regime, that did unspeakable, horrendous things to Jews, homosexuals, Gypsies, Soviet, Allied POWs, ordinary German political dissidents who were taken into "protective custody", Poles, Czechs, anyone who opposed or spoke out against Nazis grand Volkstaat, or VolksGemenieShaat, " people's ethnic community" or opposed the concentration camps, overcrowded, squalid disease-riden Polish ghettos, or the death camps laid out in perfect, meticulous, bureaucratic order and planning after the Wannasee Conference.

If he was going to truly sellout or betray his country with those kinds of sentiments, it would made a lot more sense to defect to the Soviet Union before and after WWII.

I don't think this one's gonna make him any more interested lol

Which novel of his are you referencing? Please be specific.

Slaughterhouse Five

 

[Complex Kid]

Uh yeah sure, the character in Vonnegut’s novel bearing his soul and his reasons for betraying his country during WWII using Marxist class rhetoric to a morally horrendous regime that actually despised and hated Marxism.

He’s hardly some honorable person to be quoting anything meaningful from a deep moral/ethical perspective. To the Nazis? Yeah sure, whatever.

 

[Arathrael]

It was something like that. Woefully inadequate for what they were doing.

This was the article I read:

A whistleblower raised safety concerns about OceanGate’s submersible in 2018. Then he was fired.

The director of marine operations at OceanGate was fired after raising concerns about its first-of-a-kind carbon fiber hull.

techcrunch.com

It was 1300m for that porthole:

There, the filing states, he was also informed that the manufacturer of the Titan’s forward viewport would only certify it to a depth of 1,300 meters due to OceanGate’s experimental design. The filing states that OceanGate refused to pay for the manufacturer to build a viewport that would meet the Titan’s intended depth of 4,000 meters.

Also had concerns about the hull.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Slaughterhouse Five

I’ve seen the movie and read it both in English and German
I have no idea how it’s connected to any of this

 

[jboss]

Are you sad you weren’t alive during the House Unamerican Activities Committee hearings?
It seems like you would have enjoyed those

Listen here bud, Debs DESERVED that jail time!

 

[Saintman2884]

Are you sad you weren’t alive during the House Unamerican Committee hearings?
It seems like you would have enjoyed those

Character ad hominem attacks don’t advance the arguments or discussions any further. I guess you think I would’ve supported McCarthyism.

Most, if not all of those people accused or brought before these committees weren’t traitors, they were left-leaning and supported socialist causes in the 1940’s but they weren’t admitted traitors like Vonnegut’s character in Slaughterhouse Five.

 

[jboss]

I’ve seen the movie and read it both in English and German
I have no idea how it’s connected to any of this

I read it like 20 years ago so it's really fuzzy but I guess he's extrapolating the books antiwar content with Vonnegut's socialist beliefs

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Character ad hominem attacks don’t advance the arguments or discussions any further. I guess you think I would’ve supported McCarthyism.

Most, if not all of those people accused or brought before these committees weren’t traitors, they were left-leaning and supported socialist causes in the 1940’s but they weren’t admitted traitors like Vonnegut’s character in Slaughterhouse Five.

It’s more about seeing EVERYTHING through a marxist lens
It’s like the 6 degrees of separation game but there only always 2 degrees of separation

 

[Semper]

Did this Vonnegut have a sub? I am so confused right now.

 

[Saintman2884]

It’s more about seeing EVERYTHING through a marxist lens
It’s like the 6 degrees of separation game but there only always 2 degrees of separation

I didn’t start it, guido. I was initially responding to terps reply earlier in this thread that suggested or inferred that whenever rich people lose their fortunes, it’s always somehow because their greedy, and they make the poor believe they should bail them out.

Sure, it’s true in some respects, but not as an absolute black-and-white generalization. I felt that his arguments were a bit too simplistic and didn’t taken into consideration other factors that have nothing to do with greed or rash, risky decisions like this Oceangate CEO’s cavalier attitude towards safety regulations.

 

[efil4stnias]

I'm talking about Madoff's victims who thpught

Dont twist my original words around. A lot of those people who lost their fortunes with Madoff didn’t deserve to lose their money like that, many of his investors weren’t multimillionaire celebrities, either, they got taken in by a crook who unfortunately had a sterling reputation whose true nature wasn’t revealed until the economy collapsed in December 2008. No, it isn’t always black-and-white in situations like these where every rich person who loses their fortunes or lives because they’re greedy.

That’s a misguided, illogical, irrational, frankly bitter perspective I’ve never understood.

Madoff suffered from same delusion- it was never enough. And in turn, ensnared a whole host of victims - keep in mind many of the "regular folk" didnt invest directly with Madoff as they didnt have the $$$ to do so, but in pools/thru other vehicles that were managed by others.

But it was the same lure- Madoff was the ONLY investment firm reporting PROFITS when every other firm was losing money. Red flag.

As a quasi-metaphor- i can sell you home insurance for HALF of what every other carrier offers right now. Without reading the policy, you buying?

of course not. Works the same in reverse. If someone is turning a profit when all others are losing, in a game that has been around for a century and every single angle to make sure-fire bets win has been tried ( within the law ) and nothing works, then that HAS to be a warning.

They didnt deserve to lose their money and more than the folks on this tin can ride deserved to lose their lives. Agreed.

And im probably best described as cynical- not misguided or illogical or bitter.

 

[Madmarsha]

Are you sad you weren’t alive during the House Unamerican Activities Committee hearings?
It seems like you would have enjoyed those

I think YOU would have enjoyed those.