Saints at the top of Davante Adams’ wish list [Raiders trade Adams to Jets for conditional 3rd ; Jets paying Adams’ entire remaining salary] (3 Viewers)

[DSnfla]

My pie in the sky trade idea:

Saints extend Kamara to 3/36 making the remaining cap this year $12m

Saints save $6.5m add to existing $4.m gives them $11m in cap space.



Trade a 2025 3th rd and 2026 4th rd plus Paulson Adebo has about $3m remaining and a fa next year plus Isaiah Foskey has about $1.5m remaining and 2 more years.



Saints receive Davante Adams from Raiders who eat $9m of $19m remaining. They have $27.5m in cap space. Adams is FA next year (saints work on a new contract but not part of this deal). Saints also receive Andrus Peat (only started 1 game and a total of 31 snaps) and has $1.5m in cap hit remaining. He is also a FA.



Saints spend $11.5m and have $15m (existing $4m, plus $6.5 saved in Kamara extension plus $3m in Adebo and $1.5m in Foskey)


Why this is fair for Raiders? Adams doesn't want to be there. Adebo would be their 1st or 2nd best CB. Everyone knows Saints have talented DL/LB that they can't develop and do well elsewhere so why not take a shot at Foskey who has several more years left on deal which is cheap. Plus they get a 3rd round pick in 2025 and 4th in 2026.

Way too much capital for a player that has asked for a trade. Adebo is worth at least a 3 because that's what we'd get if he walks. Patrick has played LG just about as well as Peat did. They are not going to want Foskey. I would do the 3 and 4th if LV picks up half of DA's salary

 

[DSnfla]

As much as I would love to get him, I would rather we trade for a OL than a luxury pick like Adams. In fact we could trade for D. Hopkins or John Metchie for way less and get the same production.

So how many all-pro O linemen have asked for a trade right now?

 

[DSnfla]

I don't disagree that Olave/Adams is a much better duo than Olave/Shaheed. But I don't think this OL is going to hold up in 11 personnel. They didn't against Atlanta. I saw a stat that Carr had like 2.3 seconds to throw and a lot of that could because of the increased use of 11. Anyway, while Adams would certainly be an improvement, I think it's a marginal improvement that wouldn't turn this team into a Super Bowl contender. Maybe it helps with the division, but I'm not sure one push for a Division title is worth the future cap implications, draft pick cost, or the fact that it likely leads to having to let AK go.

I also don't know how you pay a 32 year-old Adams who has 3 years left on his deal while refusing to extend Kamara. While it would be nice to have 3 good WRs, Kamara is the ONLY RB we have that is better than just a guy. It's just inconsistent with their current level of cap restraint and a pretty sheetty way to treat Kamara who is still a great RB. Adams is just as likely, if not more likely to decline in the next 3 years as Kamara is.

A marginal improvement ?? Heck no Adams is an all-pro elite route runner that get's open almost no matter what, AND makes the contested catch. The only guaranteed yr left on his contract is 24 so it's not 3 yrs left

 

[DSnfla]

Adebo is gone as soon as possible. Even Underhill believes the Saints aren't paying him a long term investment. He's a very boom and bust player, he'll make some amazing plays but then cost you games with PI's in crunch time. Cousins throwing at Adebo in that situation was a choice, every body knows he draws PI's.

Underhill has been an Adebo hater for over 2 yrs now. Everytime he makes a great play Nick just says" I don't know , I don't know " But when he messes up he says I told you so

 

[DSnfla]

Absolutely. The center and the RT are turnstiles. You put someone on the QB's face, no matter of it is Jerry Rice/Cris Carter/Randy Moss out there.

And the Eagles didn't stack the box. One player, Jaylen Carter, wrecked the interior of the line all game.

When are you people going to realize that MCoy going out against Philly changed OUR WHOLE OL. No McCoy , No big game for Carter

 

[SystemShock]

When are you people going to realize that MCoy going out against Philly changed OUR WHOLE OL. No McCoy , No big game for Carter

Like we didn't notice or something? You think you are the only one who noticed this? I don't want to speak for everyone, but I feel certain we all noticed that when McCoy went out, Jaylen Carter played most of his minutes in the Saints backfield.

 

[DSnfla]

Saints are tied at 10th in NFL in sacks. 2 sacks away from being t-4th in the NFL. Pass rush has been very good. They’ve consistently wreaked havoc on QBs every week to this point. They’ve made crucial sacks on key 3rd downs each week against Prescott, Hurts & Cousins. Thats without Chase Young filling up the stat sheet in sacks yet but he has a ton of pressures. Carl, Chase and Payton Turner are a very talented group of 3 DEs. They won’t trade for another pass rusher while 2 of those 3 are active to go with Cam’s snaps.

The OL is good enough for a winning team. I’d say the scheme has them looking above average. With a healthy Ruiz, there’s confidence in the interior OL going into each week until McCoy comes back. Some games may be up and down against talented D-Lines but that doesn’t mean the OL unit is terrible imo.

Teams aren’t readily trading away starting level OL and DL. A starting level lineman won’t become another team’s depth unless multiple starters are missing extended time or the units have poor play. Saints have neither circumstances. The trenches is where the coaching staff coaches up in scheme and technique like they were able to with Lemieux and Landon Young in Week 4. The DL already has depth at edge.

An OL is a bigger “need” than WR but we aren’t finding an OL who matches the caliber of Adams as a WR. Whenever Olave or Shaheed goes down, the pass offense goes down with them and becomes very shaky in options to throw to. Thats where Adams comes into play to provide another surefire reliable target in every part of the field. Have to take the opportunity to get a player like Adams when its there if the cap structure is able to come together for the deal.

One of the few times I disagree with you, Pass rush was good the 1st 2 wks because Taylor had 3 sacks . Our pass rush last week was awful except for that Turner sack, Cousins had all day to throw

 

[DSnfla]

Like we didn't notice or something? You think you are the only one who noticed this? I don't want to speak for everyone, but I feel certain we all noticed that when McCoy went out, Jaylen Carter played most of his minutes in the Saints backfield.

That's the reason Carter was such a force and no reason to condemn the whole OL. The OL was very good the 1st 2 wks and didn't play that badly last wk. Saying that we need OL help is not a reason to pass up on an all-pro WR which is very much a position of need

 

[DSnfla]

I did.

Whether there is an available player in a position of need or not is irrelevant.

What's relevant, a "top 5 WR" (again, top 5 in what?) is not going to improve anything if the QB doesn't see him because 2 players who blew past the center are running straight at him and he's running for his life, and a primarily running team can't run the ball.

LOL we had 131 yards rushing against ATL @ 5.2 yds per rush , I guess we can't run the ball.

 

[DSnfla]

I am very much addressing the point, you just don't want to hear it.


How? Tell me how does Adams make the team better?

That you have to even ask that question makes me discount everything you say SMH

 

[DSnfla]

If we do trade for Davante Adams we are going to need to come up with different shorthand for him other than DA.

Tae is what he's known by

 

[SystemShock]

That's the reason Carter was such a force and no reason to condemn the whole OL. The OL was very good the 1st 2 wks and didn't play that badly last wk. Saying that we need OL help is not a reason to pass up on an all-pro WR which is very much a position of need

Yeah, again, we all know the reason why Carter was such a force. And we also know that McCoy is not going to be playing for at least another 5-7 weeks (according to reports).

The oline was very good the frist 2 weeks, then they weren't. So was the entire offense and the WRs. Wonder what changed?

WR is not a position of need. Who wins popularity contests among sorts writers is irrelevant to me.

 

[SystemShock]

That you have to even ask that question makes me discount everything you say SMH

Spoken like someone who doesn't have an actual answer.
Thank you for playing.

 

[DSnfla]

Would Davante rather play for a younger quarterback in Derek Carr? Or an older quarterback in Aaron Rodgers?

Not only is DC here but Keith Williams is our WR coach , He recruited him at Fresno St. and is like a 2nd father to Adams