Saints at the top of Davante Adams’ wish list [Raiders trade Adams to Jets for conditional 3rd ; Jets paying Adams’ entire remaining salary] (2 Viewers)

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Davante Adams's new team will need to have enough cap space for his contract

Prorated salary of $16.89 million will immediately hit the cap.

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[DSnfla]

This makes no sense. We cannot afford him, we’re not 1 piece away and it’s likely that neither Carr, nor Allen will be here next year.

I don’t even think that Loomis could “Loomis” this deal.

PS - Can he play RB2?

Tell me what team in the NFC that IS 1 player away ?? A big body pass catcher that makes the contested catch is a top 2 or 3 need on this team And you're probably going to say OL or pass rusher and yes that is a need. But in case you hadn't noticed we ran the ball and protected very well in the 1st 2 games before McCoy and Ruiz went down. Also last time I looked there is NO all-pro O linemen or Pass rushers that are available for trade .

Let's say we make the playoffs, and with Adams the chances are much better. In the playoffs things get ramped up, more physical play, who you going to trust to make that contested catch? Shaheed? Olave? Or the guy that has made a career making that contested catch.
Also If we get Adams hen we have a window. A a 2 yr window where we Carr, Adams, AK Demario, Mathieu, Taysom an a D that plays great ( well at least for all but the last min or 2). That's a group that I can get behind an all in mentality for 2 yrs. If we don't make the SB, then I'm ok with a serious rebuild

 

[DSnfla]

Nope

Such a well though out response SMH

 

[Paul]

I feel like no one is asking the important question: is this dude building another Taco Bell in his house?

 

[Rexman100]

Tell me what team in the NFC that IS 1 player away ?? A big body pass catcher that makes the contested catch is a top 2 or 3 need on this team And you're probably going to say OL or pass rusher and yes that is a need. But in case you hadn't noticed we ran the ball and protected very well in the 1st 2 games before McCoy and Ruiz went down. Also last time I looked there is NO all-pro O linemen or Pass rushers that are available for trade .

Let's say we make the playoffs, and with Adams the chances are much better. In the playoffs things get ramped up, more physical play, who you going to trust to make that contested catch? Shaheed? Olave? Or the guy that has made a career making that contested catch.
Also If we get Adams hen we have a window. A a 2 yr window where we Carr, Adams, AK Demario, Mathieu, Taysom an a D that plays great ( well at least for all but the last min or 2). That's a group that I can get behind an all in mentality for 2 yrs. If we don't make the SB, then I'm ok with a serious rebuild

Good point about IF we make the playoffs. We’ll definitely need dawgs for a run.

 

[Madmarsha]

I agree, my post was more about the Raiders not worried about his $35m next year the same way we aren’t worried (cap issues aside) about Kamara’s $22m due next year. If you want to preserve his trade value, you keep him sidelined (heard he is already ruled out for Sunday).

He's got a hammy. Must not really be that bad, though.

 

[DSnfla]

I don't have a problem with trading for Adams if the price is right in terms of trade compensation and an adjustment to his contract. I'd rather trade for OL help, but I don't know if there is anyone available on the OL that would be an upgrade and I doubt anyone is at the talent level Adams is. So, you take the market opportunity if it is there.

But, I don't think the protection has been fine. It was fine against Carolina and Dallas, but it was down right terrible against Philly. They couldn't keep Carter out of Carr's face. It was okayish against Atlanta, but that is a pretty weak DL. I think it will continue to be a problem against teams with good pass rushers on the interior like Kansas City for instance.

Moreover, a lot of the reason it was fine in the games it was fine in is because we were often in 12 and 21 personnel with TEs and FBs in to help the pass protection. That means either Shaheed or Adams would often be on the bench while you try to max protect. Which isn't ideal and kind of means that you aren't really adding a full weapon to the offense.

That being said, sure go get Adams, but don't pay more than a 4th round pick and he is going to need to do something about his salary cap hit for this year and the next two years. It's going to be hard to even fit him under the cap this year and it could mean having to extend Kamara or convert his salary which could mean more dead money if they don't give him a new contract which they seem reluctant to do. And we can't use up too much cap space or use up higher draft picks because next year we likely will need to sign or draft two Edge rushers, an OL or two, a CB or sign Adebo, a Safety or two, and a TE.

I also have a lot of concerns trading for a 32 year-old WR with a 3 year contract when I don't really think we are a contender this year and I don't think Adams is the difference between making the playoffs or not. But maybe I'm wrong and he is.

So let's look at this , What's the difference in our OL from the 1st 2 games to the 2nd 2 games? NO McCoy no Ruiz. McCoy does not go down against Philly it's a totally different game. If we're in 12 that's 2 WRs, That would be CO and DA.
Also If we get Adams then we have a window. A 2 yr window where we Carr, Adams, AK Demario, Mathieu, Taysom and a D that plays great ( well at least for all but the last min or 2). That's a group that I can get behind an all in mentality for 2 yrs. If we don't make the SB, then I'm ok with a serious rebuild

 

[DSnfla]

There is zero shot that we can just eat his entire salary. If it happened it would have to be one of those situations where the Raiders agree to eat a huge portion of the money. I just don’t see that happening. Especially when you look at the Jets cap situation the next couple of years, they could eat his entire contract and not have to rework anything.

The jets don't have Keith Williams , Adams's 2nd father

 

[DSnfla]

Good point about IF we make the playoffs. We’ll definitely need dawgs for a run.

Chances are much better with Adams than without

 

[DSnfla]

Not that the Raiders have been particularly smart, but you would think the Raiders would let this go down to the wire of the trade deadline in hopes of getting the best deal. They have no real motivation to act before then unless Adams goes Ceedy Deuce in the locker room.

They have about 5mil in reasons to trade him now, His salary for 24 right now is about 13.5 mil just before the deadline will be about 8.5

 

[kennydfresh]

As much as I would love to get him, I would rather we trade for a OL than a luxury pick like Adams. In fact we could trade for D. Hopkins or John Metchie for way less and get the same production.

 

[DSnfla]

My pie in the sky trade idea:

Saints extend Kamara to 3/36 making the remaining cap this year $12m

Saints save $6.5m add to existing $4.m gives them $11m in cap space.



Trade a 2025 3th rd and 2026 4th rd plus Paulson Adebo has about $3m remaining and a fa next year plus Isaiah Foskey has about $1.5m remaining and 2 more years.



Saints receive Davante Adams from Raiders who eat $9m of $19m remaining. They have $27.5m in cap space. Adams is FA next year (saints work on a new contract but not part of this deal). Saints also receive Andrus Peat (only started 1 game and a total of 31 snaps) and has $1.5m in cap hit remaining. He is also a FA.



Saints spend $11.5m and have $15m (existing $4m, plus $6.5 saved in Kamara extension plus $3m in Adebo and $1.5m in Foskey)


Why this is fair for Raiders? Adams doesn't want to be there. Adebo would be their 1st or 2nd best CB. Everyone knows Saints have talented DL/LB that they can't develop and do well elsewhere so why not take a shot at Foskey who has several more years left on deal which is cheap. Plus they get a 3rd round pick in 2025 and 4th in 2026.

Way too much capital for a player that has asked for a trade. Adebo is worth at least a 3 because that's what we'd get if he walks. Patrick has played LG just about as well as Peat did. They are not going to want Foskey. I would do the 3 and 4th if LV picks up half of DA's salary

 

[DSnfla]

As much as I would love to get him, I would rather we trade for a OL than a luxury pick like Adams. In fact we could trade for D. Hopkins or John Metchie for way less and get the same production.

So how many all-pro O linemen have asked for a trade right now?

 

[DSnfla]

I don't disagree that Olave/Adams is a much better duo than Olave/Shaheed. But I don't think this OL is going to hold up in 11 personnel. They didn't against Atlanta. I saw a stat that Carr had like 2.3 seconds to throw and a lot of that could because of the increased use of 11. Anyway, while Adams would certainly be an improvement, I think it's a marginal improvement that wouldn't turn this team into a Super Bowl contender. Maybe it helps with the division, but I'm not sure one push for a Division title is worth the future cap implications, draft pick cost, or the fact that it likely leads to having to let AK go.

I also don't know how you pay a 32 year-old Adams who has 3 years left on his deal while refusing to extend Kamara. While it would be nice to have 3 good WRs, Kamara is the ONLY RB we have that is better than just a guy. It's just inconsistent with their current level of cap restraint and a pretty sheetty way to treat Kamara who is still a great RB. Adams is just as likely, if not more likely to decline in the next 3 years as Kamara is.

A marginal improvement ?? Heck no Adams is an all-pro elite route runner that get's open almost no matter what, AND makes the contested catch. The only guaranteed yr left on his contract is 24 so it's not 3 yrs left

 

[DSnfla]

Adebo is gone as soon as possible. Even Underhill believes the Saints aren't paying him a long term investment. He's a very boom and bust player, he'll make some amazing plays but then cost you games with PI's in crunch time. Cousins throwing at Adebo in that situation was a choice, every body knows he draws PI's.

Underhill has been an Adebo hater for over 2 yrs now. Everytime he makes a great play Nick just says" I don't know , I don't know " But when he messes up he says I told you so