Saints planned to interview Mike McCarthy; McCarthy didn’t garner enough interest from Saints and will take a year off (1 Viewer)

[DaveXA]

Yeah, I understand if people prefer other candidates on their own merits, but adamantly staking out a claim that McCarthy is a bad coach is wild when his track record more than proves he isn’t. Historically. All-time.

That isn’t to predict an outcome if he lands here - a lot goes into achieving success in team sports - but it’s not difficult to make a case in his favor based on his accomplishments.

Yeah, for a guy with 8 division titles, 12 playoff appearances and a SB title to be called a bad coach is a wild take for sure. It's baffling tbh.

He's not even first on my list, but he'd be a solid coach for us if Loomis hires him.

 

[St. Geezy]

Yeah, for a guy with 8 division titles, 12 playoff appearances and a SB title to be called a bad coach is a wild take for sure. It's baffling tbh.

He's not even first on my list, but he'd be a solid coach for us if Loomis hires him.

Not to mention his recent offensive statistical performances, both in yards and scoring.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

12-5 and top 5 scoring offense in the league 3 of the last 4 years is not good? He led the Packers to 4 straight NFC North titles from 2010 to 2014 and again in 2016. That's less than 15 years ago, yeah?

Won the division twice with the Cowboys and had 3 consecutive 12-5 seasons with a top 5 offense. Dak struggled in the playoffs tho. He's not a Mahomes or Brees or even Rodgers. He's struggled in high pressure moments. That's not a coaching issue.

But i guess you don't care about results.

Lmao.

'yea, but only against sub .500 teams"....lol

 

[lilvipa221]

How about comparing Reid before Mahomes to McCarthy? McCarthy was a better candidate than Reid , Reid had not won a SB

Comparing Reid and Mccarthy is silly because Mahomes is the difference here and if Reid didnt have Mahomes then nobody would even be talking about Reid.

If you tell me that we get Mahomes and Mccarthy everyone would be singing super bowl songs.

But the reality is Mccarthy would be inheriting a worse roster and to be frank front office than what he had in Dallas with the Saints.

The general consensus among media, even Saints fans laughed at the cowboys over the last few years because they underachieved in the playoffs. Now we want the guy that was the leader in that. The Cowboys had way more talent during Mccarthys regime than to just win 1 playoff games in 4 attempts.

Mccarthy since 2017 is 1-3 in the playoffs. You have to back 8 years before you see any significant success Mccarthy has had in the playoffs.

 

[lilvipa221]

I’d be curious to hear from all of the McCarthy haters who exactly each of you would realistically like to see as head coach, and why.

A young innovative offensive head coach that will prioritize getting a young, athletic and talented quarterback to be competitive in the future. The teams that are consistently good in the NFL have quarterbacks that can overcome adversity on the team around him, by scrambling a little bit or running. And not a limited QB that if you have 1 or 2 injuries the excuse birds start singing all over the place.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

A young innovative offensive head coach that will prioritize getting a young, athletic and talented quarterback to be competitive in the future. The teams that are consistently good in the NFL have quarterbacks that can overcome adversity on the team around him, by scrambling a little bit or running. And not a limited QB that if you have 1 or 2 injuries the excuse birds start singing all over the place.

And that person's name is...?

 

[lilvipa221]

And that person's name is...?

Liam Coen. This man lost Mike Evans for 5 games and Chris Godwin for majority of the season and he put together an explosive offense and a career year with Baker Mayfield. Give me the guy who took an average player and elevated him.

 

[Rouxble]

Reid didn’t have a player mutiny nor was his game planning reportedly so abysmal that players started running different plays like McCarthy.

Yes Andy Reid’s last two seasons with the Eagles were bad, but it’s attributed to grief since his son died at training camp.

Reid needed a fresh beginning from a tragedy involving the death of his son. McCarthy just became a bad coach and it showed it Dallas.

Reid is having massive success in his 2nd job after losing his first due to tragedy. McCarthy just finished failing at his 2nd stint and looking for his 3rd.

So no. There’s nothing remotely appropriate comparing the two.

A bad coach that fielded a top 10 team by DVOA in three out of five years, with the two down years being the years Dak missed time. OK.

 

[Rouxble]

No. I could care less about all that. The guy hasn’t been good for over a decade, nearly going on 15 years.

And when he took over play calling in Dallas, their offense got worse.

LOL, they had the number one scoring offense in the league the year he took over. Any more facts you would like to make up?

 

[lilvipa221]

I don’t understand why some people expect coaches to win every single year, endlessly. It truly is a “Dynasty or bust” mentality.

Even in our most revered Golden Era of our franchise, with a HOF QB and a HOF HC, we saw several losing seasons.

McCarthy isn’t perfect, but he gets results. He wins MOST of the time. If your expectation with this hire is Chiefs Andy Reid type results, then you’re setting yourself up for disappointment.

It's not super bowl or bust but I think people are overrating Mccarthy based on the fact that most of his success happened with Aaron Rodgers 12 years ago.

Mccarthy had one of the most talented rosters in the league with Dallas the last 3-4 years and has underachieved. He is not coming to the Saints with the same talent he had in Dallas so he won't just come in here and win 12 games like people are saying he will do. This is not a 12 win team currently.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

Liam Coen. This man lost Mike Evans for 5 games and Chris Godwin for majority of the season and he put together an explosive offense and a career year with Baker Mayfield. Give me the guy who took an average player and elevated him.

Sounds like a good coordinator. What about that will make him a good head coach?

 

[Rouxble]

It's not super bowl or bust but I think people are overrating Mccarthy based on the fact that most of his success happened with Aaron Rodgers 12 years ago.

Mccarthy had one of the most talented rosters in the league with Dallas the last 3-4 years and has underachieved. He is not coming to the Saints with the same talent he had in Dallas so he won't just come in here and win 12 games like people are saying he will do. This is not a 12 win team currently.

There is no coach in the league that is good enough if 12-5 for three consecutive seasons when Dak played at least 12 games isn't considered a success.

 

[Rouxble]

Fun fact for all those who say McCarthy was a loser in Dallas. From 2021-2023, only TWO teams had at least 36 wins, the Cowboys and Chiefs.

Sure, the Chiefs won it all, but somehow the Cowboys underachieved when no other team could win 36 out of 51 games over that span.

 

[SweetT]

You said that ML said DA WAS Chuck Knoll. ML said was

"Mickey Loomis on keeping HC Dennis Allen: “Chuck Noll his first three years: 1-13, 5-9, 6-8. They recognized he's a good football coach. Bill Belichick, his first three years: 6-10, 7-9, 7-9. Tom Landry: 0-11, 4-9, 5-8, 4-10, 5-8. All of them Hall of Fame coaches. The easy thing is to blame them.”​

The meaning of this statement was if Knoll , Belichick and Landry were fired in the 1st few yrs of being a HC then those teams would have missed out on a HOF HC. In fact Cleveland DID.

NOWHERE did ML say that DA was Chuck Knoll . You read what you wanted to read. And don't go accusing me of taking up for DA , he needed to be fired but your hatred of ML is blinding you from what he meant

Yeah and if we were to fire DA, then we were potentially missing out on a great HC or HOF coach. “They recognized a good coach”. DA was not a good coach, so what the heck was he trying to say? A whole bunch of gibberish. No one, including ML should’ve made an asinine statement like that. Maybe if he would’ve not used cue cards from his back pocket, he could’ve landed his execution on the attempt. It was a ridiculous comment then and it gets more laughable by the day. Plus, I don’t hate ML, I’ve been one of his biggest supporters of all time, but I’m done defending him. No hate, just can’t back his decisions.