For anyone who says Carr is just a stat padder and don’t win: (1 Viewer)

[No2DC]

I'm not a Carr fan because he's not elite. However, I'm okay with rolling with him next year for cap reasons. Ratt is not the long-term answer. Sometimes, you get what you pay for, and a fifth-round quarterback is a fifth-round quarterback; Brady is an anomaly in more ways than one. We are not being serious until we invest a high draft pick in a QB. I doubt what happened with Drew will ever happen again. All the QBs in the playoffs are high draft picks, and the current top three are all first-round guys (Mahomes, Allen, and Jackson).

 

[Dastheat_9]

You can do that with any QB, but especially the non-elite types.

I could put together a highlight reel that would make a football novice think Drew Brees was the worst QB who ever lived if I wanted to.

Well, I am not nit picking. I think he sucks! I don’t like him. He messed up a lot. He never seemed to take responsibility for it. I don’t blame him for not taking a pay cut. For him to say out loud go put on the tape. Of what? The few games you played. That dude can go pound sand.

 

[St. Geezy]

I'm not a Carr fan because he's not elite.

If that’s the case, you will probably hate being a Saints fan for a long while my friend. lol

 

[CowtownSaint]

I just don’t see how some fans can complain about Loomis, complain about the depth, complain about the OL, complain about the coaching, acknowledge all the injuries we faced, including missing both starting WRs most of the year, and still come to the conclusion that a QB with Carr’s numbers was the problem.

It’s short-sighted and reeks of people going into something with preconceived notions and then nitpick every little thing in an act of confirmation bias.

I’m a big confirmation bias guy, probably can tell by my posts lately lol. But I would say this, if we are talking short sighted, then we are talking all of these injuries etc. but if we look long term, Carr has been what he has been his entire career it’s about the same no matter what. To me that’s confirming my bias that has average at best. You can’t possibly be saying for 11 years it’s been everyone elses
Fault but his.

 

[St. Geezy]

I’m a big confirmation bias guy, probably can tell by my posts lately lol. But I would say this, if we are talking short sighted, then we are talking all of these injuries etc. but if we look long term, Carr has been what he has been his entire career it’s about the same no matter what. To me that’s confirming my bias that has average at best. You can’t possibly be saying for 11 years it’s been everyone elses
Fault but his.

I think Derek Carr’s career has been an enigma. The consistently poor quality of the teams he’s played on have been an enigma. He has played on a lot of bad teams and for bad coaches.

One of the only times in his career when he had solid help surrounding him and healthy, he finished third in MVP voting.

He’s had a strange career arc with unprecedented levels of ineptness surrounding him.

The mere fact that those Raiders teams couldn’t take a “fairly competent”/“decent at worst in his prime” QB like him to the playoffs more than once over such a long period of time points more towards organizational ineptness than a QB problem, JMO.

Just take a look at the Raiders defensive rankings during his time there, for starters.

 

[Dastheat_9]

I’m a big confirmation bias guy, probably can tell by my posts lately lol. But I would say this, if we are talking short sighted, then we are talking all of these injuries etc. but if we look long term, Carr has been what he has been his entire career it’s about the same no matter what. To me that’s confirming my bias that has average at best. You can’t possibly be saying for 11 years it’s been everyone elses
Fault but his.

He has played with Denzel Perryman, Latavius Murray, Darren Waller, Devante Adam’s, Hunter renfroe, Amari Cooper, Gabe Jackson, Michael Crabtree, Khalil Mack, and a few pro bowl offensive lineman. I never buy into the no talent or bad team arguments. You are the QB. You touch the ball on offense every play.

 

[St. Geezy]

Right, it just isn’t here in New Orleans that dude had Devante Adam’s, Josh Jacobs Hunter Renfroe

You mean in his very last year with one of the most incompetent, QB unfriendly HCs this millennia while boasting a defense that finished ranked 26th?

 

[Dastheat_9]

You mean in his very last year with one of the most incompetent, QB unfriendly HCs this millennia while boasting a defense that finished ranked 26th?

Well, I know this much! He has lost to 31 teams, and only made the playoffs once. He lost first round. If he was good. They Raiders wouldn’t have got rid of him

 

[St. Geezy]

Well, I know this much! He has lost to 31 teams, and only made the playoffs once. He lost first round. If he was good. They Raiders wouldn’t have got rid of him

You start as long as he has for bad teams, of course you will eventually run the table in Ls.

Teams move on from players for many different reasons, including having an incompetent HC that figured he could convince one of “his guys” to come in and be the starter.

 

[Dastheat_9]

You start as long as he has for bad teams, of course you will eventually run the table in Ls.

Teams move on from players for many different reasons, including having an incompetent HC that figured he could convince one of “his guys” to come in and be the starter.

Well you seem to love the guy, the same way Dennis Allen did. He got fired twice when Carr was his QB. That is where we disagree. I have watch him for 11 years. I know what he is. You’re not making the playoffs with him. Save the cap money, plan for the future. If he is a Saint I am going to root for him. I just know what I am going to get. A middle of the road over thirty year old QB. I would rather a young, cheap QB with potential.

 

[St. Geezy]

Well you seem to love the guy, and that is where we disagree. I have watch him for 11 years. I know what he is. You’re not making the playoffs with him. Save the cap money, plan for the future. If he is a Saint I am going to root for him. I just know what I am going to get. A middle of the road over thirty year old QB. I would rather a young, cheap QB with potential.

I don’t “love him.” I am just willing to live with him as our transitional QB. I think he’s solid and someone you can win with if you surround him with a good enough environment.

I recognize that what we had with Drew Brees very possibly will never walk through those doors again in my lifetime, and at least in my own opinion, think I recognize what solid/above average QB play looks like compared to all of his league counterparts.

I like the player and think we can live with him while at the same time we should be looking for upgrades for the not-so-distant future.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

We're definitely wrong about that....he most certainly doesn't stat pad

 

[Dastheat_9]

I don’t “love him.” I am just willing to live with him as our transitional QB. I think he’s solid and someone you can win with if you surround him with a good enough environment.

I recognize that what we had with Drew Brees very possibly will never walk through those doors again in my lifetime, and at least in my own opinion, think I recognize what solid/above average QB play looks like compared to all of his league counterparts.

I like the player and think we can live with him while at the same time we should be looking for upgrades for the not-so-distant future.

Well, Mickey Loomis defended him in the press conference. He may be the transitional QB. My God, 70 million dollars for 2 years when we are 50 million over the cap now. I know we are not building a legitimate future until about 3 years from now.We do not have a pro bowler on this team. Taliese Fuaga is a bright spot! Paulson Adebo. We cannot afford him. So he is probably gone.

 

[St. Geezy]

I think Derek Carr’s career has been an enigma. The consistently poor quality of the teams he’s played on have been an enigma. He has played on a lot of bad teams and for bad coaches.

One of the only times in his career when he had solid help surrounding him and healthy, he finished third in MVP voting.

He’s had a strange career arc with unprecedented levels of ineptness surrounding him.

The mere fact that those Raiders teams couldn’t take a “fairly competent”/“decent at worst in his prime” QB like him to the playoffs more than once over such a long period of time points more towards organizational ineptness than a QB problem, JMO.

Just take a look at the Raiders defensive rankings during his time there, for starters.

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