20 years worth of baptisms invalidated (4 Viewers)

[Super44]

Not a Catholic, how big a deal is this?

Inconvenience? "I have to go get baptized again"

Or, soul shaken to the core? "My life's been a lie?"

Since you are not Catholic, is it really that important to you?

 

[sammymvpknight]

Since you are not Catholic, is it really that important to you?

You’re not the first to be offended by this question. Why?

 

[sammymvpknight]

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed

…Unless through the magic that is the Big Bang

 

[nolaswede]

Jesus has to look at this like first world religious problems

Yeah kids are starving all around the world, but this is what we are really worried about today!

 

[nolaswede]

If you're not Catholic why even bring it up ? Shouldn't concern you at all. Why bring it up on a football news site ? Is this going to affect the New Orleans Saints ?

Thou shall not judge?

 

[nolaswede]

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed

Tell that to my 6 year old please!

 

[UK SAINTS]

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed

Certainly not by man.

 

[DaveXA]

Since you are not Catholic, is it really that important to you?

Whether you're Catholic or not doesn't make the question any more or less interesting. I thought it was a legitimate curious question.

 

[Optimus Prime]

So this has happened before
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DETROIT (AP) — One word caught the ear of a young priest a few years ago when his father shared a video of his 1990 baptism at a suburban Detroit church.

“Wait,” the Rev. Matthew Hood recalled thinking. “Something doesn’t seem right here.”

Indeed, an error by a deacon who said “We baptize” instead of “I baptize” spoiled Hood's baptism in the eyes of the Catholic Church — and, in domino-like fashion, erased his other sacraments and meant that he wasn't really a priest.

It was perhaps the most significant consequence from a controversy that emerged nearly two years ago at St. Anastasia Church in Troy, after the Vatican said the use of “we” invalidates baptisms in the Catholic faith.

Thousands of Arizona Catholics recently made headlines when they learned that they, too, may have been improperly baptized with the wrong words in a separate but similar matter involving a popular pastor, the Rev. Andres Arango, who resigned Feb. 1.

In Michigan, Hood was baptized, given other sacraments and swiftly ordained again to the priesthood within days in 2020. But the Archdiocese of Detroit still hasn't heard from hundreds of people whose rites at St. Anastasia are considered invalid, despite outreach efforts and publicity..............

Like in Arizona, botched baptisms roiled Michigan church

 

[Optimus Prime]

Anyone know of any updates on this?

 

[sammymvpknight]

don't understand those who whine about people talking crosswise about christianity
from jesus's own mouth

Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

The Beatitudes are probably the tract that separates christianity from most other religions, but it seems to have the least sway over christians
curious

Christianity’s biggest selling point is grace. I try to do well, but at my core I know how devastatingly flawed that I am. If it was on me to check all of the boxes, I would fail…and would probably check more boxes than most. I’m happy to not subscribe to a works based religion because that would be quite hopeless and demoralizing for me. I’d be like having a discerning father yelling at you every time you got home to school instead of the dad that still loves his loser son.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I’m happy to not subscribe to a works based religion because that would be quite hopeless and demoralizing for me.

James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

that's the only thing that makes any sense - every evil in the world could justify itself (and often does) if good works wasn't essential

 

[sammymvpknight]

James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

that's the only thing that makes any sense - every evil in the world could justify itself (and often does) if good works wasn't essential

Clearly a complex topic. People should certainly try to live their lives with a moral compass, which I think is a common dominator for most religions (including Christianity) and philosophies for that matter. But ultimately we will fail, so it’s nice that we aren’t held to the standard of perfection for salivation. I don’t personally think that grace should be used as an excuse for those that engage in evil. And I’m confident that a God capable of creating the universe is capable of discerning the difference.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Clearly a complex topic. People should certainly try to live their lives with a moral compass, which I think is a common dominator for most religions (including Christianity) and philosophies for that matter. But ultimately we will fail, so it’s nice that we aren’t held to the standard of perfection for salivation. I don’t personally think that grace should be used as an excuse for those that engage in evil. And I’m confident that a God capable of creating the universe is capable of discerning the difference.

quite literally (and punnily) this is the perfect being the enemy of the good
good actions are not the same as perfect actions - we can't know the consequences of our actions ahead of time (if we save someone from being hit by a car and that person becomes the worst president in the US, we did not cause that)
it's the part of Capt America/Civil War that always irks me, because people died as the result of the Avengers defending cities from alien attacks et al, they are made responsible for those deaths - that's silly

 

[sammymvpknight]

quite literally (and punnily) this is the perfect being the enemy of the good
good actions are not the same as perfect actions - we can't know the consequences of our actions ahead of time (if we save someone from being hit by a car and that person becomes the worst president in the US, we did not cause that)
it's the part of Capt America/Civil War that always irks me, because people died as the result of the Avengers defending cities from alien attacks et al, they are made responsible for those deaths - that's silly

Ok…you added Capt America as supporting evidence…so you win. love you bro