20 years worth of baptisms invalidated (5 Viewers)

[SystemShock]

Christianity’s biggest selling point is grace.

Christianity's biggest selling point is immortality in bliss.

 

[sammymvpknight]

Christianity's biggest selling point is immortality in bliss.

Depends on how you practice your faith. Every religion has been perverted by those that use it for their own means. But there is heavy teaching of morality with every religion.

 

[Consigliere]

Christianity’s biggest selling point is grace. I try to do well, but at my core I know how devastatingly flawed that I am

LOL, this is the religion that tells you that you are sinful by nature because Eve ate an apple, but you get "grace" to excuse your "original sin" if you believe in magic tricks that were performed 2000 years ago and were not written down until decades later. That's a pretty weak selling point. This is what you are taught to say if you are born into it, but this logic is not converting anybody.

Christianity's biggest selling point is immortality in bliss.

Closer. But lots of religions have that; indeed the Old Testament did not have this concept until the Jews adopted it from the Greeks around 200 BC. Islam upgraded this marketing pitch by adding 72 virgins, so not sure I would rely on this.

Christianity's biggest selling point is that you can get said bliss, and do not have to forego pork/shellfish and get part of your weenie chopped off by an old man with a sharp rock. Because nobody in Judea was buying it until Paul remade the marketing pitch to gentiles. It may seem like a minor thing now, but without Paul's marketing plan (you can be Christian without following Jewish law), Christianity would have died a minor branch of Judaism.

In the following centuries, Christianity's biggest selling point was that you get burned at the stake (or inquisition, etc.) if you disagree. Effective, I admit.

In more modern times, Christianity's biggest selling point was preachers/teachers indoctrinating kids that to be moral you must be Christian. But, improved technology allowed enough information and communication to reveal this myth.

Nowadays, Christianity's biggest selling point is that there are girls at church.

 

[SystemShock]

Depends on how you practice your faith. Every religion has been perverted by those that use it for their own means. But there is heavy teaching of morality with every religion.

But you are not talking about every religion or how one practices it. You are talking about Christianity's biggest selling point. What's the biggest advertising slogan for Christianity? John 3:16, For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

 

[antipop]

currently, the biggest selling point for Christianity is that you can you can use it to justify being a terrible person

 

[SystemShock]

Closer.

It's dead on. What you posted, you could've posted without quoting me.

 

[Eeyore]

currently, the biggest selling point for Christianity is that you can you can use it to justify being a terrible person

I'll pile on.

I no longer believe that any of these exist but...

The allure of being a Christian is that you get to commit heinous acts, and behave immorally and be rewarded for it by simply asking to be forgiven.

I'll double down and stare that the Abrahamic god creates evil (Isaiah 45:7) and promises to reward his evil creations with a "heaven" as a reward.

The opposite entity (Satan) is believed to punish people who commit evil acts and is hated for doing so by Christians.

I believe that most people who identify as Christian are basically good people and are mislead. I also believe that most of them have very little knowledge of the religion to which they identify. Most people who I know struggle to read, so they don't. They also struggle to comprehend and and apply what they can read. Even more people simply refuse and leave it to others to tell them what to believe.

I believe that most people are simply following the pack and identify so heavily with what they have been told that breaking away from the identity would invalidate the beliefs they were taught by all who they love. It isn't easy. It's traumatic.

 

[sammymvpknight]

currently, the biggest selling point for Christianity is that you can you can use it to justify being a terrible person

Deep down we are all terrible people

 

[Consigliere]

But you are not talking about every religion or how one practices it. You are talking about Christianity's biggest selling point. What's the biggest advertising slogan for Christianity? John 3:16, For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

As a selling point, the problem with using a single verse, is that it conflicts with other verses. E.g. Matthew 5:20 (one must follow Jewish law better than the Pharisees to "get in") or Matthew 25:31 (sheep/charitable people "get in" and goats/uncharitable do not). Islam, on the other hand, has just one book.

Another problem with this particular verse as a selling point is that while it sounds sweet at first, it begs the question, why is human sacrifice necessary to bail us out for god's own mistake?

And, there's no virgins. If I am shopping religions on the basis of a bliss promise, I am going with multiple virgins.

 

[antipop]

Deep down we are all terrible people

absolutely not...get out of here with that garbage

 

[Consigliere]

I'll pile on.

I no longer believe that any of these exist but...

The allure of being a Christian is that you get to commit heinous acts, and behave immorally and be rewarded for it by simply asking to be forgiven.

I'll double down and stare that the Abrahamic god creates evil (Isaiah 45:7) and promises to reward his evil creations with a "heaven" as a reward.

The opposite entity (Satan) is believed to punish people who commit evil acts and is hated for doing so by Christians.

I believe that most people who identify as Christian are basically good people and are mislead. I also believe that most of them have very little knowledge of the religion to which they identify. Most people who I know struggle to read, so they don't. They also struggle to comprehend and and apply what they can read. Even more people simply refuse and leave it to others to tell them what to believe.

I believe that most people are simply following the pack and identify so heavily with what they have been told that breaking away from the identity would invalidate the beliefs they were taught by all who they love. It isn't easy. It's traumatic.

Well said. Another way to say it is: without religion, good people will do good and bad people will do bad. But only religion makes good people do bad.

 

[sammymvpknight]

absolutely not...get out of here with that garbage

It’s true. Philosophical that’s where we differ. But that’s fine

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Deep down we are all terrible people

I actually disagree- we have a biological imperative for preservation which means fostering strong communities
Anything ‘terrible’ that we do has more than likely been taught to us

 

[sammymvpknight]

I actually disagree- we have a biological imperative for preservation which means fostering strong communities
Anything ‘terrible’ that we do has more than likely been taught to us

I think the biological imperative is a consequence of self preservation and preservation of your immediate well-being. It’s rooted in selfishness

 

[antipop]

It’s true. Philosophical that’s where we differ. But that’s fine

no, it's not true