{2023 Thread Bumped} Underhill Giving No Quarter to Nick Wright (2 Viewers)

[saintfan1972]

Only person recently that we lost that I wanted to keep was Hendrickson. It was I'm sure cap related. But what we do works so keep doing it.

 

[meily]

Nick Wright comes across as a virgin.

He screams at women how he's a "High Value Male".

 

[NatureBoy]

I think we’ve lost some good talent due to the way the cap is managed, yes. Not speaking about Tuttle and Onyemata tho. Lol

I respect that others may not see it the same way I do.

I think you are right. I look at it like this.

All teams play by the same rules. Therefore, any team can choose to "manage" the cap the way we do, if they want. When the cap goes up, it goes up for all teams, too.

On a yearly basis we have more money committed than most other teams. When managing the cap in this fashion, that (having more money committed) will be the case more often than not. It has a repeating consequences.

With the understanding that any team can benefit from more cap space (when we do), and choose to do what we do, while most will have more cap space than we do, it will continue to put us at a disadvantage versus the others. Thats what it's ultimately about. It's not about how we are able to manage the cap, it's about our ability to compete with others. Saying "we didn't want that guy" or something similar, will in many cases be driven by our ability to sign that person. The Saints control that narrative, and in most cases fans will look for reasons to justify the narrative. Having to settle for players at lesser financial commitments would appear to mean that you are settling for players that other teams passed on. Unless they are all wrong, you're probably watering down your depth, and possibly core players too, by going that route.

 

[DaveXA]

Only person recently that we lost that I wanted to keep was Hendrickson. It was I'm sure cap related. But what we do works so keep doing it.

Yes, and remember he struggled a good bit with injuries his first 3 seasons. That likely made them offer less than he got from Cincy. A lot of us said there was significant risk in paying someone with his injury history that much money. Cincy got lucky. I think it was less a cap issue than us being leery of paying so much for someone who had injury issues. Of course others had that same problem, so picking and choosing isn't always clear without hindsight.

 

[dtc]

I think you are right. I look at it like this.

All teams play by the same rules. Therefore, any team can choose to "manage" the cap the way we do, if they want. When the cap goes up, it goes up for all teams, too.

On a yearly basis we have more money committed that most other teams. When managing the cap in this fashion, thats will be the case more often than not.

With the understanding that any team can choose to do what we do, with most having more cap space that we have, it puts us at a disadvantage versus the others. Thats what it's ultimately about. It's not about how we are able to manage the cap, it's about our ability to compete with others. Saying "we didn't want that guy" or something similar, will in many cases be driven by our ability to sign that person. Having to settle for players at lesser financial commitments would appear to mean that you are settling for the players the other teams passed on. Unless they are all wrong, you're probably watering down the depth, and possibly core players too, by going that route.

This is demonstrably untrue.

Our owner's liquidity and willingness to spend next year's money allows us to compete and puts us at a huge advantage because we can spend more money than other teams.

It's that simple. No time in the past 7 or 8 years have we not been able to get whoever we want at whatever price. hell, we almost got Watson last year and just did bring in Carr.

We won 3 NFC west titles in a row doing this and barring a few injuries and bone headed plays last year and 21 we would have done it again. Furthermore, all those 13 win seasons were a direct result.

Tell the Falcons how much of an advantage they've enjoyed and get back to me.

 

[SaintsFanForLife]

Couldn't part of the the decision to let them walk be the possibility of comp picks? So you don't overpay guys you are not thrilled with and help you get younger and more cap friendly in more way than one.

 

[NatureBoy]

This is demonstrably untrue.

Our owner's liquidity and willingness to spend next year's money allows us to compete and puts us at a huge advantage because we can spend more money than other teams.

It's that simple. No time in the past 7 or 8 years have we not been able to get whoever we want at whatever price. hell, we almost got Watson last year and just did bring in Carr.

We won 3 NFC west titles in a row doing this and barring a few injuries and bone headed plays last year and 21 we would have done it again. Furthermore, all those 13 win seasons were a direct result.

Tell the Falcons how much of an advantage they've enjoyed and get back to me.

I believe we could get any one player in that fashion, if we so choose. But there are 53 spots on a team. You can't do it across the board.

 

[DaveXA]

I believe we could get any one player in that fashion, if we so choose. But there are 53 spots on a team. You can't do it across the board.

You don't do it with every player, but you definitely do it with the core, key players of the team who are committed to making this work. You can do it to a lesser degree with your supporting cast, but that's usually somewhat limited.

 

[NatureBoy]

You don't do it with every player, but you definitely do it with the core, key players of the team who are committed to making this work. You can do it to a lesser degree with your supporting cast, but that's usually somewhat limited.

No matter how it's justified, it comes with a cost. No matter if it's the core or deepest depth.

Also, what we don't know is who they would have wanted to sign this year and in the past, but just didn't have the flexibility. They will sell the "we do us" narrative, but they'll never tell you how it stopped them and how they are at a disadvantage more often than not. Focusing on signing one player and selling that flexibility, doesn't tell the whole story.

 

[dtc]

I believe we could get any one player in that fashion, if we so choose. But there are 53 spots on a team. You can't do it across the board.

We've never needed a bunch of players because we've drafted well, spent whatever it takes to get the ones we did need.

10 times in the past 17 years we've gone all in with a big singing or 2 to put of over the top. It's kept us elite for almost 2 decades save 2 years.

 

[NatureBoy]

We've never needed a bunch of players because we've drafted well, spent whatever it takes to get the ones we did need.

10 times in the past 17 years we've gone all in with a big singing or 2 to put of over the top. It's kept us elite for almost 2 decades save 2 years.

The last Super Bowl level team we had was when we "lost" to the Rams. Since then we've been regressing. I don't buy it. You can't win a Super Bowl when you have to make roster sacrifices that produce a net loss.

 

[DaveXA]

No matter how it's justified, it comes with a cost. No matter if it's the core or deepest depth.

Also, what we don't know is who they would have wanted to sign this year and in the past, but just didn't have the flexibility. They will sell the "we do us" narrative, but they'll never tell you how it stopped them and how they are at a disadvantage more often than not. Focusing on signing one player and selling that flexibility, doesn't tell the whole story.

Well, same can be said for vice versa. The only thing that matters is whether our teams have been historically competitive, and in terms of overall w/l record the last 15 years, the Saints are 4th in the league behind only the Pats, Steelers and Packers.

It's really simple, a winning strategy that works is what they should be and are doing.

 

[Saint Greg]

Nick Wright is not completely wrong. We are losing players due to our cap that is pushed back etc. It's pretty factual, we don't have a fountain of infinity cap.

On his show last week he said we were going to have to get rid of lattimore and kamara. We didn’t have to do any of that. We signed Derek carr and got under the cap without cutting anyone. Now he’s trying to hide behind us losing a couple FAs at a position we needed to upgrade anyway. No way I’d want to pay onyemata 12mil/year and Tuttle 8mil/yr.

 

[NatureBoy]

Well, same can be said for vice versa. The only thing that matters is whether our teams have been historically competitive, and in terms of overall w/l record the last 15 years, the Saints are 4th in the league behind only the Pats, Steelers and Packers.

Thats a fair point but I don't think we've had a Super Bowl level team since we "lost" to the Rams. There has been a regression in talent and we are paying for it now.

 

[DSnfla]

I believe we could get any one player in that fashion, if we so choose. But there are 53 spots on a team. You can't do it across the board.

And neither can any team no matter what their cap is, And you don't need to