Unverified According to podcaster Timothy J Jones: Aaron Glenn wanted Mickey Loomis removed from GM position in order to take Saints job [mod edit] (105 Viewers)

[DeuceMcAllisterFan]

Logic says he wouldn't have had a second interview scheduled if there's truth to it.

 

[Elvis]

What makes you think he is a credible source? He's never actually broken news and he has in the past posted stuff from other people holding it out as his own without crediting the original source.

He's not a beat writer. He's just a guy that has a podcast. I'm just not going to give this any credence until someone with actual sources reports it.

Beyond that, it doesn't really matter because if this did happen, it's about Glenn getting his friend, Newmark, a GM job and so that he can work with his friend. It isn't some confirmation that people around the league think Loomis is incompetent. And it further doesn't matter because it was never going to happen and it would be a bad idea to allow a HC candidate, outside of someone like Belichick, dictate who your GM will be. A GM needs to have power over the HC and be there to tell the coach no when something might be in the HC's short term best interest, but not in the franchise's long term interest.

In the end, I want a new GM too, but that doesn't mean I'm going to believe every rumor.

It doesn't matter who thinks he is a credible source or why. Some of us are willing to entertain that this went down the way he claims it did. We can't prove it did and you can't prove it didn't. We don't know his sources and neither do you. And the premise is not some ludicrous notion, it's entirely plausible.

What matters to me is that it COULD be true because that's a bad look for the team. It's bad for getting the best coaches. It's bad for getting free agents. And hearing this right after seeing Balke fired by the Jags for the same reason makes it discussion worthy.

 

[Derek_B]

Yeah I doubt that. I'm no fan of Loomis anymore but Glenn's an unproven head coach and has never fielded a top 10 defense. To think he made that kind of demand is borderline absurd.

I can believe it these days. Also look at the market, there really isn't a bunch of great options imo. These guys know that. I heard Ben Johnson was making demands too... smh. He shouldn't be able to demand anything. He has done nothing yet.

 

[Hubig]

It doesn't matter who thinks he is a credible source or why. Some of us are willing to entertain that this went down the way he claims it did. We can't prove it did and you can't prove it didn't. We don't know his sources and neither do you. And the premise is not some ludicrous notion, it's entirely plausible.

What matters to me is that it COULD be true because that's a bad look for the team. It's bad for getting the best coaches. It's bad for getting free agents. And hearing this right after seeing Balke fired by the Jags for the same reason makes it discussion worthy.

IF any of this is true then shame on Gayle Benson for not having a more firm hand with him right when the clock struck 0 after the final game vs the Bucs.

 

[BoNcHiE]

I think most of us have been pretty hard on Loomis lately, but if this is true, we dodged a bullet not hiring Glenn.

A first-time head coach who has never fielded a top-15 defense does not have the experience nor skins on the wall to demand a GM be fired, and that kind of arrogance won't end well.

 

[St. Widge]

It doesn't matter who thinks he is a credible source or why. Some of us are willing to entertain that this went down the way he claims it did. We can't prove it did and you can't prove it didn't. We don't know his sources and neither do you. And the premise is not some ludicrous notion, it's entirely plausible.

What matters to me is that it COULD be true because that's a bad look for the team. It's bad for getting the best coaches. It's bad for getting free agents. And hearing this right after seeing Balke fired by the Jags for the same reason makes it discussion worthy.

It's not necessarily a bad look for the team even if it is true. All coaches want to work with the GM they select and Glenn has long planned to be a package deal with Newmark. There is no indication that even if it happened that it was because Glenn thinks Loomis is incompetent. And there are credible sources, specifically Underhill, who say that despite what our fanbase thinks, Loomis is well thought of in NFL circles.

And the only reason we are discussing it is because we want to believe that it's true and we want to believe that people in the NFL think Loomis is incompetent because it would confirm what we think is true.

And it's possible that what really happened here is that someone who knows Glenn said that he took the Jets job because they agreed to hire Newmark as the GM and he didn't really consider the Saints because they already had a GM. And that then turned into he demanded that they replace Loomis as GM by the process of the telephone game.

I don't find it hard to believe at all that he chose the Jets over the Saints because he could get the GM he wanted. But, I do find it hard to believe that he went over Loomis' head to demand that his guy be named GM or he would not take the job. Especially when there are very plausible reasons why Glenn would take the Jets job over this one including living in the NY area where his wife likes living, they have a better and younger roster (especially on defense), he was drafted and played for the Jets for 7 years, and he could pick his own GM. Frankly, I always thought the connections to the Saints were somewhat wishful thinking when he barely played here and only coached here for 4 years and that was under Payton who is gone. All of which makes it less plausible that he really wanted the Saints job so much that he was willing to go over Loomis' head and demand that he be allowed to select his own GM.

 

[Elvis]

It's not necessarily a bad look for the team even if it is true. All coaches want to work with the GM they select and Glenn has long planned to be a package deal with Newmark. There is no indication that even if it happened that it was because Glenn thinks Loomis is incompetent. And there are credible sources, specifically Underhill, who says that despite what our fanbase thinks, Loomis is well thought of in NFL circles.

And the only reason we are discussing it is because we want to believe that it's true and we want to believe that people in the NFL think Loomis is incompetent because it would confirm what we think is true.

And it's possible that what really happened here is that someone who knows Glenn said that he took the Jets job because they agreed to hire Newmark as the GM and he didn't really consider the Saints because they already had a GM. And that then turned into he demanded that they replace Loomis as GM by the process of the telephone game.

I don't find it hard to believe at all that he chose the Jets over the Saints because he could get the GM he wanted. But, I do find it hard to believe that he went over Loomis' head to demand that his guy be named GM or he would not take the job. Especially when there are very plausible reasons why Glenn would take the Jets job over this one including living in the NY area where his wife like living, they have a better and younger roster (especially on defense), he was drafted and played for the Jets for 7 years, and he could pick his own GM. Frankly, I always thought the connections to the Saints were somewhat wishful thinking when he barely played here and only coached here for 4 years and that was under Payton who is gone. All of which makes it less plausible that he really wanted the Saints job so much that he was willing to go over Loomis' head and demand that he be allowed to select his own GM.

I have no issue with your opinions and justifications for why you think Glenn chose the Jets or why you think the report is wrong. I don't necessarily agree with them because they are filled with speculation as well, but I have no problem with them. I only have an issue with you trying to squash the discussion because you don't actually know what happened either and trying to reduce it to everyone just hating Loomis.

 

[St. Widge]

Tjay has a level of credibility in the industry compared to some others such as me at the NFL level. Breaking news is a huge aspect of reporting but it's not the qualifier that gives them ultimate credibility. There's push back on the story because it's not coming from the usual go-to individuals.

In regards to the clip he uploaded that was NOF's I think they cleared that up behind the scenes. These days I see hundreds of clipping NOF stuff and not give credit. Not saying that it's right though.

It's a qualifier of credibility when he is breaking new news. Maybe he knows his stuff and his podcast is great. I don't know because I don't listen to it, but that doesn't give him credibility when breaking news. And it's not personal to him, I'd feel the same way if it was Ralph Marlborough or any of the other guys that are essentially fans with podcasts.

So, even if we ignore him taking IP and holding it out as his own, he doesn't have credibility as a guy who breaks news and has inside sources. And honestly, if this is true, it's going to get confirmed by multiple sources within a short period of time. And if it isn't true, it's just going to fade away until 2 years from now if Glenn ends up being successful with the Jets when it will be used as evidence that Mrs. Benson is a terrible owner because she wouldn't fire Loomis so that we could hire Glenn.

 

[St. Widge]

I have no issue with your opinions and justifications for why you think Glenn chose the Jets or why you think the report is wrong. I don't necessarily agree with them because they are filled with speculation as well, but I have no problem with them. I only have an issue with you trying to squash the discussion because you don't actually know what happened either and trying to reduce it to everyone just hating Loomis.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. It's now shifted to the point where if you don't believe this is true then the burden is on you to prove a negative and suddenly it's on the same level as speculation that it's true because it's all speculation. When the burden should be to prove a claim is true in the first place.

 

[DerrickB]

It's a qualifier of credibility when he is breaking new news. Maybe he knows his stuff and his podcast is great. I don't know because I don't listen to it, but that doesn't give him credibility when breaking news. And it's not personal to him, I'd feel the same way if it was Ralph Marlborough or any of the other guys that are essentially fans with podcasts.

So, even if we ignore him taking IP and holding it out as his own, he doesn't have credibility as a guy who breaks news and has inside sources. And honestly, if this is true, it's going to get confirmed by multiple sources within a short period of time. And if it isn't true, it's just going to fade away until 2 years from now if Glenn ends up being successful with the Jets when it will be used as evidence that Mrs. Benson is a terrible owner because she wouldn't fire Loomis so that we could hire Glenn.

It doesn't have to be confirmed by others to be breaking news. There's no way to tell if Jones has inside sources or not. People are going to believe what they want to believe. Like I said before, it's not Underhill so people are going to look his Tweet sideways.

Fan with podcasts? That's funny lol

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

Why wouldn’t a coach want to work with Loomis? Does Loomis meddle with day to day duties? Does he hold the purse strings tight and not give coaches what they want? No. Hell, if anything he’s too giving which is why we’re in this cap situation. He gave into to Payton and DA too often. But if anything that should make him a more attractive GM for a potential HC. Oh no. I’ll have a GM that cuts checks without question and lets me do whatever? Oh woe as me

It's not necessarily about Loomis personally, but more about having a GM that is on the same timeline as you and a shared vision.

For example, Loomis has been very clear that he thinks this roster is ready to compete now with just a few "tweaks" and better injury luck. He is not going to do a hard reset/rebuild -- but a new HC might have the opposite view of the roster and the timeline for getting it ready to compete.

Obviously the coach is going to want a GM that is working off that same premise.

 

[Elvis]

This is exactly what I'm talking about. It's now shifted to the point where if you don't believe this is true then the burden is on you to prove a negative and suddenly it's on the same level as speculation that it's true because it's all speculation. When the burden should be to prove a claim is true in the first place.

Nope, you have no burden to prove anything in your post either. People will come to their own conclusions of credibility and plausibility on their own. This story, while not verified by the Saints or Glenn, only has legs because it makes sense to people who have paid attention to how the team has been run over the last 5 years.

 

[bayoumilitia]

Meh, to me the whole story if there even is one isn’t noteworthy. “If” Glenn made that suggestion or demand it wouldn’t be unique and he would be far from the first coach to do that just like SP wanting more control of football operations walking in the door with the Saints.

I get what some of you are saying about Glenn, Johnson and others being “unproven” but let’s be honest here if you’re coveted by the Bears, Jets, Jaguars or Saints then heck why not ask for the farm.

Also like a few previous posters mentioned I think there’s an automatic and probably incorrect negative assumption about Glenn and Loomis’s relationship just based on the hypothetical request. Even if a coach demanded or requested an owner or ownership group to part ways with a GM doesn’t necessarily mean they don’t like each other or the GM is incompetent. Maybe the two or just philosophically not on the same page as far as how they want to shape the roster or staff.

 

[St. Widge]

It doesn't have to be confirmed by others to be breaking news. There's no way to tell if Jones has inside sources or not. People are going to believe what they want to believe. Like I said before, it's not Underhill so people are going to look his Tweet sideways.

Fan with podcasts? That's funny lol

I didn't say it had to be confirmed to be breaking news. But if none of your "breaking news" is ever confirmed, it means you don't have credibility when breaking news.

It doesn't have to be Underhill. It could be Kat Terrel, Luke Johnson, Bob Rose, Mike Tripplet, any Saints beat reports, a Jets beat reporter, Rappaport, or any national reporter. But nobody has confirmed it yet. And a reporter should have two sources that confirm before they report anything. Even Underhill admitted he made the mistake of a report without two confirming sources, and that he got used by someone close to Glenn, when they told him that Glenn didn't favor the Jets.

The thing is that Tjay isn't a reporter so he doesn't have to follow those rules. But, if another source, like those listed above confirm it, I'll give him credit and pay more attention in the future when he breaks news.

And what makes him more than a fan with a podcast?

 

[St. Widge]

Nope, you have no burden to prove anything in your post either. People will come to their own conclusions of credibility and plausibility on their own. This story, while not verified by the Saints or Glenn, only has legs because it makes sense to people who have paid attention to how the team has been run over the last 5 years.

So I haven't paid attention to how the team has been run over the last 5 years?

And even if it did make sense, it doesn't mean it's true. And it only has legs because people want to believe it's true.