Alvin Kamara pleads no contest to lesser misdemeanor charge, jury trial is cancelled; civil suit also settled on confidential terms (2 Viewers)

[DaveXA]

When I’ve discussed the Kamara case on another board, a lot of non-Saints fans believe Kamara was the one who was stomping on Greene’s head.

People were saying that here too. So I can see why people ran with it. And the police report clearly exaggerated what happened.

Relying solely on a police report in a case like this isn't a great idea. I actually think the video helped AK here. Pretty clear that most of the damage was done by the guys stomping him and probably would have made getting a conviction iffy.

Seeing the video, it's still not a great look for AK, but, hopefully this is a lesson learned and he can avoid situations like this in the future.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

He didn’t get $10M.

Do we know how much? 5M...500k? 250?

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

I will get the ball rolling here and pledge a nickel toward Bayou Saint Joe's public arse whooping. I'll call The Sphere and see if we can do this in their parking lot.

I'm approaching rock bottom...so 10M ain't really my final number.

- probably not the best way to negotiate my pubic beat down price

 

[DaveXA]

Do we know how much? 5M...500k? 250?

It's already been explained that typical cases it's 3 to 4x the damages in a criminal settlement (iirc around $100k) which would be between $300k and $400k. Considering it's AK, maybe a bit more. Best guess is around $500k.

 

[VPCajun]

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So while the 6-game suspension for being charged with a violent felony is still on the table, I personally think it will be fewer based on the final result being a misdemeanor and the victim's case is also resolved and dismissed.

And you call yourself a Saints fan...

 

[superchuck500]

Do we know how much? 5M...500k? 250?

We don't know and probably won't - unless somebody violates the confidentiality clause in the settlement (which are quite common btw). But based on how personal injury cases go, I think we can put a range on it that is probably quite accurate.

We know that Greene suffered an orbital fracture and alleged injuries to his "shoulder and back", which are probably soft-tissue injuries. The plea arrangement suggests that Greene had about $100K in medical expenses, which could indeed be the case if he needed surgery for the orbital fracture or some other treatment that's more intensive or has a longer duration.

Presume he had no other long-term injuries, the trial/judgment value of the civil claim is somewhere in the $300K to $400K range. Taking into account that he elected to file in Orleans Parish, which I think is a discounting factor more than an amplifying factor, I'd say you would generically expect a settlement to be in that range because civil defendants rarely pay more than trial value in settlement - there would have to be some other factors pushing the value higher.

Of course, here you have that factor with the criminal case, which is a big interest for Kamara.
So that gives Greene leverage in the negotiation beyond basic trial value. But I don't think that gives Greene (and Buzbee) the right to ransom his consent to the plea deal for some exorbitant amount. It's patently unethical (violates rules of professional conduct) for an attorney to seek to influence a material witness's testimony through cash payment, and in a criminal case, it might also be illegal to extort payment in exchange for a refusal to testify. And I don't think the Vegas DA would sit back and support a process where the victim is holding his consent ransom for some unreasonable amount.

But presuming the attorneys involved stayed in their lanes, I wouldn't imagine that the Greene would be able to pull that much more out of Kamara - even doubling trial value still puts you at the $600K to $800K range, which I think is possible but might even be high. If I had to guess, I'd say in the $500K to $800K range, probably closer to the bottom than the top - and certainly anything beyond $1M sounds like wild fantasy to me.

 

[texasjefe]

- probably not the best way to negotiate my pubic beat down price

And as we joyfully sang as kids.....

Beat your meat on the toilet seat, all the doo dah day

 

[boutte]

the ones who are getting blasted aren't the ones who mentioned possibility of jail time. it's the ones who were adamant that he was gonna get it because the law said xxx. when most people here were on the side of he was gonna plea down, but also knew there was a small possibility of jail time.

I guess I didn't see all that. I mostly avoided AK discussions. I mentioned the possibility once and didn't get any flak for it at the time.

 

[DaveXA]

I guess I didn't see all that. I mostly avoided AK discussions. I mentioned the possibility once and didn't get any flak for it at the time.

Yeah, the ire isn't really directed at you. There were other posters saying the police report, Kamara will go to jail, yada yada. They were convinced they were right and ultimately proven wrong.

 

[boutte]

boutte I just want to make his very clear, I didn't mention you by name because I respect you and everyone else who claim to have seen the video (that came out months before the official video was released) that was only seen by a handful of people before it vanished. You and a few others who have made these claims aren't known for coming up with make believe stories. So I'm not saying you are lying or making it up for attention or crazy. You say you saw it so hey, that's good enough for me. It's weird and I can't explain it but I'm not going to sit here and call you a liar.

The issue I have is not whether or not you saw the mystery video. The issue I have is that people who saw the mystery video told us all that what AK did was disturbing and disgusting. They kept telling everyone that it was absolutely gruesome and AK deserves to go to prison after what they saw. So the actual video comes out and it's NOT EVEN CLOSE to what was described! AK's part in it wasn't disturbing or disgusting. It wasn't some barbaric and brutal act by a thug. AK got a few licks in but that's it. He didn't reach out and grip a nearby table to use it as leverage to stomp and kick the dude's head. He didn't repeatedly kick the man in the head and then do elbow drops on him. I swear to god some people made it out like AK curbed stomped the fella American History X style.

If you share information like that, drag a player through the mud, and then it turns out that the information you shared is total hogwash, do you think there should be some accountability there? I'm not talking about you in particular but in general.

The video I saw short and very low quality. The videos we're seeing now don't look like what I saw. It sure looked like Kamara. But like I said it was short and very low quality and I only saw it once. Maybe a case of mistaken identity. I don't know.

I appreciate your thoughtful reply.

 

[saint_drago]

The video I saw short and very low quality. The videos we're seeing now don't look like what I saw. It sure looked like Kamara. But like I said it was short and very low quality and I only saw it once. Maybe a case of mistaken identity. I don't know.

I appreciate your thoughtful reply.

Oh absolutely man. You're a good dude.

 

[Judge_Smails]

I will get the ball rolling here and pledge a nickel toward Bayou Saint Joe's public arse whooping. I'll call The Sphere and see if we can do this in their parking lot.

Let’s get this chain moving!!

 

[SweetT]

Yup! Indignant, self-righteous folks are often the most insincere.

Someone on here said that my logic of thinking by NOT judging anyone is a logic that gets people killed. I had to step away from this board for a bit and re-assess OTHER people’s priorities.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

Let’s get this chain moving!!

Waiiiit a minute....how many people here wanna slap the bejeezus out of me? Is there like a line or something ?

 

[oodank]

No doubt. It went from people around here predicting jail time with absolute certainty to a straight up breach pf peace. Lol what? I've never even heard of a breach of peace. Sounds like a fancy way of saying, "Disturbing the peace". When I think about disturbing the peace, I think of someone playing their music too loud or partying too hard. Just doing something minor to disturb what was supposed to be a peaceful situation. So to be looking at a felony rap and walking away with a breach of peace, that's some good lawyering right there.

Breach of peace!!??! El em aye yo!!