Are you willing to get the Covid vaccine when offered? (2 Viewers)

[livefromDC]

When you've got the CDC calling it horse medicine you've got less than honest communication. That's like calling ibuprofen horse medicine. Even the links provided by Bleu were referencing obvious misuse, not danger inherent to the drug in itself. Yet people think it's a clearly dangerous misapplication of horse dewormer. That's disingenuous and is to say nothing of the overt fabrications in the media. So yes, there was a disinformation campaign that did nothing but further existing mistrust and polarization along ideological lines.

This post is disinformation. To be clear, there is danger in using a drug in a way not indicated on its label. That’s not disinformation. But there's also danger in using the drug as directed for an unintended purpose. If you use Advil to treat strep throat, paying due attention to the manufacturer's dosage directions, it is still dangerous because Advil doesn't treat strep throat.

 

[livefromDC]

The implication being that the drug is intended for animals. The media went nuts on this point and I've personally had many, many people reference it as horse dewormer in conversation.

Just to be clear, I am not an advocate for ivermectin.

Because people were buying Ivermectin formulations meant for horses aka horse dewormer!

 

[Arathrael]

Dont go to the ER for Covid than, I'll say it again, an approved cockatil by the FDA for onsetting Covid is Ivermectin, Vitamin C, D and some antibiotic I cannot pronounce nor remember, THOUGH comes with a discalimer not for long term Covid use only ambulatory care.

That seems to be news to the FDA:

Q: Should I take ivermectin to prevent or treat COVID-19?​

A: No. While there are approved uses for ivermectin in people and animals, it is not approved for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19. Read more about why you should not use ivermectin to treat or prevent COVID-19.

Are you sure you're not thinking of some trial or other?

(And how are we still talking about ivermectin in 2022. Good grief. We have actual effective treatments now.)

 

[itztime]

That seems to be news to the FDA:

Q: Should I take ivermectin to prevent or treat COVID-19?​

A: No. While there are approved uses for ivermectin in people and animals, it is not approved for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19. Read more about why you should not use ivermectin to treat or prevent COVID-19.

Are you sure you're not thinking of some trial or other?

Emergency authorization as the Q/A says, but cool games can be played with words all day long.

 

[Arathrael]

Emergency authorization as the Q/A says, but cool games can be played with words all day long.

What Q/A? That one says "It is not approved."

That's not 'cool games with words', that's 'how words work."

 

[itztime]

What Q/A? That one says "It is not approved."

That's not 'cool games with words', that's 'how words work."

ClinicalTrials.gov

clinicaltrials.gov

 

[Complex Kid]

ClinicalTrials.gov

clinicaltrials.gov

That's a clinical trial set up to see if it is effective and doesn't have results posted yet.

 

[Arathrael]

ClinicalTrials.gov

clinicaltrials.gov

So when I said "Are you sure you're not thinking of some trial or other?" you meant to say, "Yes."

Because that's a trial. It's not an approval. It's not a emergency use authorization. It's a trial.

And it's also a trial that's not recruiting, and appears to have been largely abandoned, since it lists actual enrollment as of October 19, 2021 as 31 people, against their original estimate of 300.

All of which means you're not going to get a 'an approved cockatil by the FDA for onsetting Covid is Ivermectin, Vitamin C, D and some antibiotic I cannot pronounce nor remember' in the ER.

 

[Bleu Raeder]

The implication being that the drug is intended for animals. The media went nuts on this point and I've personally had many, many people reference it as horse dewormer in conversation.

Just to be clear, I am not an advocate for ivermectin.

I know you're not, but they also did not call it "horse medicine". Here is the quote:

For one thing, animal drugs are often highly concentrated because they are used for large animals like horses and cows, which weigh a lot more than we do— up to a ton or more. Such high doses can be highly toxic in humans. Moreover, the FDA reviews drugs not just for safety and effectiveness of the active ingredients, but also for the inactive ingredients. Many inactive ingredients found in products for animals aren’t evaluated for use in people. Or they are included in much greater quantity than those used in people. In some cases, we don’t know how those inactive ingredients will affect how ivermectin is absorbed in the human body.

This is the only time "horse" is used in that article, and this paragraph is taken out of context...way out of context.

 

[Bleu Raeder]

Dont go to the ER for Covid than, I'll say it again, an approved cockatil by the FDA for onsetting Covid is Ivermectin, Vitamin C, D and some antibiotic I cannot pronounce nor remember, THOUGH comes with a discalimer not for long term Covid use only ambulatory care.

Where is this an "approved cocktail"?

 

[Bleu Raeder]

Emergency authorization as the Q/A says, but cool games can be played with words all day long.

There is no emergency use authorization for using ivermectin to treat COVID. None.

The reason there is wordplay here is because people don't read past their confirmation bias or don't actually read all of the things they should read when taking something like this into consideration.

From fda.gov/animal-veterinary/product-safety-information/faq-covid-19-and-ivermectin-intended-animals

Q: Is there an emergency use authorization for ivermectin in the U.S. to prevent or treat coronavirus or COVID-19?​

A: No. FDA has created a special emergency program for possible therapies, the Coronavirus Treatment Acceleration Program (CTAP). It uses every available method to move new treatments to patients as quickly as possible, while at the same time finding out whether they are helpful or harmful. We continue to support clinical trials that are testing new treatments for COVID so that we can gain valuable knowledge about their safety and effectiveness.

 

[Bleu Raeder]

ClinicalTrials.gov

clinicaltrials.gov

A clinical trial does not constitute "emergency use authorization"

 

[Brennan77]

Because people were buying Ivermectin formulations meant for horses aka horse dewormer!

You're right. It's a distinction that was clearly and honestly made in media coverage.

 

[itztime]

So when I said "Are you sure you're not thinking of some trial or other?" you meant to say, "Yes."

Because that's a trial. It's not an approval. It's not a emergency use authorization. It's a trial.

And it's also a trial that's not recruiting, and appears to have been largely abandoned, since it lists actual enrollment as of October 19, 2021 as 31 people, against their original estimate of 300.

All of which means you're not going to get a 'an approved cockatil by the FDA for onsetting Covid is Ivermectin, Vitamin C, D and some antibiotic I cannot pronounce nor remember' in the ER.

Thats what I found with a quick Google, Im sure if I spend an hour or longer I can find more. All I can tell you is what I read posted all over the Physician work areas regarding Covid treatment. I think we have an emergency physician on this thread "Dre" whom can maybe explain it in better detail not saying its in use at his hospital, Ive only seen it posted at two different emerency departments not every hospital has it posted.

 

[itztime]

A clinical trial does not constitute "emergency use authorization"

Yep I get that and know that, I only posted what I found on a quick Google search which happend to be the exact cocktail Ive seen posted in a few emergency departments with the statement emergency FDA use. I could have done a better job explaining that with the link.