NFL Draft Ashton Jeanty or Tyler Warren? (27 Viewers)

[JackDiesel]

There have been 5 total RBs taken in the 1st round over the last 5 years with an average draft position of 20th. Teams are not putting that much value on the RB position. A team WILL select Jeanty in the 1st round. I hope it's not our team. In fact I hope a team with a lot of picks likes him so much that they trade us a pile of them like we did for Ricky Williams.

You hate the position so much you'd rather us take a top 15 talent at low value positions like NT and LG instead of a top 3 talent at RB?

So who cares where other RB's were drafted? This RB grades out as one of the top 3 players in the draft by plenty of NFL talent evaluators. Other than Barkley the other RB's didn't grade as high as him so of course they'll be drafted later.

I remember the Lions took Gibbs EARLIER than everyone was expecting him to go and now they looked like geniuses for doing it. No one questioned Atlanta taking Robinson in the top 10, they've taken heat for not using him enough though.

 

[livefromDC]

You hate the position so much you'd rather us take a top 15 talent at low value positions like NT and LG instead of a top 3 talent at RB?

So who cares where other RB's were drafted? This RB grades out as one of the top 3 players in the draft by plenty of NFL talent evaluators. Other than Barkley the other RB's didn't grade as high as him so of course they'll be drafted later.

I remember the Lions took Gibbs EARLIER than everyone was expecting him to go and now they looked like geniuses for doing it. No one questioned Atlanta taking Robinson in the top 10, they've taken heat for not using him enough though.

THIS. People get so wrapped up in addressing positions they look pass the actual players. It's the fallacy of thinking, "if I take a tackle/guard high in the first round, tackle is no longer a need". And it's mindboggling that any Saints fan would still believe this rhetoric after the Saints have attempted to solidify the DE and Oline positions over the last 8 years. Drafting based on position doesn't mean you'll get a good player. The only way to increase your chances of getting a good player is by drafting based on the players available alone. If you continue to replenish the roster with the best players available, the other problems worked themselves out. I promise. Having too many good players is never going to harm a team.

Plus, even the rhetoric about drafting RBs is drastically misunderstood. The QB position is overdrafted because it's an important position. DEs and tackles are overdrafted for the same reason. Players at these 3 positions generally get drafted higher than they should. RBs are less valued, so get drafted later. This is true. BUT it's true of the position over all, NOT the cream of the crop. The RBs that rank as the best over a 5 year time span all go in the top 10. That hasn't changed. Once those guys go off the board, the top RBs for a given year (but not over a 4 to 5 year span), those guys go late 1st and beyond. Why does this happen? Because even though the position is devalued, greatness is not. If Jeanty tests as we think he will, he's going top 8.

The only thing that would stop that is a run on QBs, DEs, and Tackles and I just don't see the talent there this year to do that. Will Campbell is not a dominating top left tackle. I wouldn't pick him at #15 much less #9, but the tackle position is overdrafted so hopefully someone takes him and pushes one of the better players down the board. Shedeur Sanders is also a bottom of the first talent, but he's a QB. Hopefully someone takes him as well.

My point is this. There will be many teams throwing picks at positions rather than at players. I hope the Saints finally decide to stop being one of them. The Eagles do it the right way, I'm hoping KM brings that mentality with him.

 

[Snakehead]

THIS. People get so wrapped up in addressing positions they look pass the actual players. It's the fallacy of thinking, "if I take a tackle/guard high in the first round, tackle is no longer a need". And it's mindboggling that any Saints fan would still believe this rhetoric have the Saints attempt to solidify the DE and Oline positions over the last 8 years. Drafting based on position doesn't mean you'll get a good player. The only way to increase your chances of getting a good player is by drafting based on the players available alone.

Plus, even the rhetoric about drafting RBs is drastically misunderstood. The QB position is overdrafted because it's an important position. DEs and Tackles are overdrafted for the same reason. Players at these 3 positions generally get drafted higher than they should. RBs are less valued so get drafted later. This is true. BUT it's true of the position over all, NOT the cream of the crop. The RBs that rank as the best over a 5 year time span all go in the top 10. That hasn't changed. Once those guys go off the board, the top RBs for a given year (but not over a 4 to 5 year span), those guys go late 1st and beyond. Why does this happen? Because even though the position is devalued, greatness is not. If Jeanty tests as we think he will, he's going top 8.

The only thing that would stop that is a run on QBs, DEs, and Tackles and I just don't see the talent there this year to do that. Will Campbell is not a dominating top left tackle. I wouldn't pick him at #15 much less #9, but the tackle position is overdrafted so hopefully someone takes him and pushes one of the better players down the board. Shedeur Sanders is also a bottom of the first talent, but he's a QB. Hopefully someone takes him as well.

My point is this. There will be many teams throwing picks at positions rather than at players. I hope the Saints finally decide to stop being one of them. The Eagles do it the right way, I'm hoping KM brings that mentality with him.

Exactly. I've posted numerous examples of mocks where we can take Jeanty at 1.9 and address the other Offensive and Defensive line positions with the other picks. OT is not a need anymore with Fuaga and Penning holding down LT and RT. LG and and upgrade at RG are needed and those positions can be drafted later since the draft is deep at OG and even OTs who will move to OG. I think Becton might be an option in FA. Moore will need a player to two to help install his offense, signing Becton for an upgrade at RG would work, if we don't do that, I like the OT Belton out of NC State for either RG or LG. Dude is massive with the heaviest hands in the draft, guys fall to the ground when he puts hands on them. NT is a huge need, but there are 3 to 4 in the draft that would work and someone posted about Jevon Kinlaw a day or two as a FA option, and he'd be an affordable NT option to sign via FA. Yes, teams absolutely are built from the inside out and the trenches is where games are won and lost, but you don't have to spend your highest draft capital there and overdraft positions. Also, it doesn't matter if you win the trenches, but you stroll out a RB who runs a 4.6 and once he gets passed the trenches he gets caught from behind by a LB coming across the field. Speed and Playmakers matter and Jeanty is both.

The argument about us being set at RB is weak. AK is going into his age 30 season, he doesn't finish seasons healthy and can't be counted on down the stretch. Miller seems to have some juice when healthy, but he hasn't proven to stay healthy. CEH is talented, but also hasn't proven to stay healthy and has his own issues to deal with which hopefully he can, but that's not a given. Now add Jeanty to that RB room and it is instantly one of the best in the NFL. Jeanty would be RB1A and the bellcow, AK would be RB1B and the offensive weapon, Miller would be Jeanty's direct backup as his running style is simiiar whereas CEH would be AK's direct backup. There is so much CKM could do with a RB room like that.

Sign Becton or draft Belton and plug one in at RG.
Sign Becton and draft Belton and plug one in at RG and the other at LG.
Using 1.9 on Jeanty and 93 or 110 on Belton while signing Becton in FA makes this our projected O-line.

O-line:
LT: Fuaga
LG: Belton
C: McCoy
RG: Becton
RT: Penning

Adding Jeanty to the scenario above and this is our RB room:
RB1A: Jeanty
RB1B: AK
RB2: Miller
RB3: CEH

CKM can work with that and we'd go from being bullied to being the Bully.

 

[St. Geezy]

Like I said I think he is a good RB but he played very few games against a higher level of competition. The majority of the teams Boise St were the UNLV or the San Jose St or the Utah St level of competition. Where as Texas when Robinson was there they might play 1, 2 games at most against that level of competition. I don't have an issue taking Jeanty just not @9 and not with our needs at this time

Only time will tell his story

Were other players playing that level of competition doing what Jeanty did?

 

[St. Geezy]

Why does it not? It should. The only very good D he played against this yr held him to just over 100yds . I see a good RB but I'm not convinced he's a generational talent until he goes up against real talent on D

His woefully overmatched offensive line and teammates were also playing against Penn St., who was solely focused on stopping him, and he STILL put up 100+.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

I don't think Jeanty is going to make it past 5 if I'm being honest. He's one of the very few players in this draft that are high reward, low risk. Usually a very early run on QB's causes players like him to drop some, and that's unlikely to happen as every QB in this draft appears very high risk, medium reward. The Patriots are probably going to weigh between T-Mac, Tyler Warren and Ashton Jeanty. Considering Vrabel was really big on RB's over the passing game and really used Derrick Henry a ton, I would expect Jeanty to have higher value to him. Same with the Jaguars. We saw what Coen did with Irving.

Then we have the Panthers sitting at 8 and Jets at 7. Jeanty making it past 5 would be very surprising to me. But Jeanty making it to us @9 is just fantasy land, especially if you consider the Cowboys are speculated for a big trade up to grab him who currently sit @12.

Tyler Warren going @5 to the Jags or @8 to the Panthers also makes a lot of sense. It's possible he makes it to us @9, but I wouldn't count on it. Again, one of the very few players in this draft that his low risk/high reward overall. He, T-Mac and Jeanty are the only 3 offensive players in the top 10 that are low risk. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Dolphins or Niners try to trade up to secure him before the Panthers.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

How do you see the top 8 picks going then?

This draft is super hard to predict early compared to most drafts. This is mostly because of Sanders and Travis Hunter. Sanders was just simply not a good QB at all. Yet he has all the physical tools. But let's not forget, BYU, K-State and KU really caused him problems, and they are just very bad teams (mostly KU and KState). IDC what any ding dong talking head says. Good QB's in college worthy of a top 10 pick won't lose to the likes of KU and K-State.

Travis Hunter is also an anomaly. He wasn't a great WR. He also wasn't a great CB. He was both, and "just" very good at both. But in the NFL doing both isn't going to work. Every single player, especially rookies struggle to play a full season and keep their bodies fresh. Even vets struggle with it. Playing both positions is just simply pre-destined for failure. That's not even accounting for injuries. A lot of player struggle to stay healthy a full season at one position, but two seems also like a fantasy. And let's also not forget, he struggled at both positions against literally some of the worst teams in college. (it's still completely weird that Colorado was even ranked).

Yet, there are people in the GM position and owners box that get stupid excited over shiny new toys and the marketing that can be worked with it. So while I don't think either Travis Hunter nor (especially Sanders) should be top 10, I wouldn't be shocked if someone like the Raiders took a stab at Sanders.

This is of course going to be wrong, but if I had to guess I would suspect something like :

1. Titans - Tetairoa McMillan
2. Browns - Cam Ward
3. Gaints - Jaxson Dart (Ward and Dart may end up being switched if Dart puts up better combine numbers)
4. Patriots - Aston Jeanty
5. Jaguars - Abdul Carter
6. Raiders - Sheduer Sanders
7. Jets - Mason Graham
8. Panthers - Tyler Warren
9. Saints - Will Campbell, Kenneth Grant

On top of that I expect the Cowboys to try and trade up to make a play on Jeanty, and the Dolphins and Niners to try and leap frog Carolina for Warren. The Jaguars could potentially go Will Campbell which would shake up the rest of everything but I don't think Mason Graham and Abdul Carter will slip to us. In honest, it's hard for me to have Cam Ward put in the top 5 and Sanders in the top 10 but I suspect there will be desperation picks (and I don't think it'll work out for whoever takes em). Pete Carroll is a really good coach, but I don't believe even he can make Sanders a top 10 QB. Maybe, just maybe a top 20 if he works lots of magic. The Browns shouldn't even pick a QB and just get a better Oline by taking Campbell while looking to next years draft full of good QB's to pick from, but they're notorious for dropping the ball when it comes to QB's and forcing that position.

So, this is how I think it *should* play out with the removal of QB desperation picks.

1. Titans - Tetairoa McMillan
2. Browns - Jaxson Dart
3. Gaints - Abdul Carter
4. Patriots - Aston Jeanty
5. Jaguars - Will Campbell
6. Raiders - Cam Ward
7. Jets - Mason Graham
8. Panthers - Tyler Warren
9. Saints - Kenneth Grant, Luther Burden III, Tyler Booker, Kevin Banks or Travis Hunter (he'll play WR here some in the slot which bothers me because Luther Burden III is a much better WR)

 

[tyler735]

This draft is super hard to predict early compared to most drafts. This is mostly because of Sanders and Travis Hunter. Sanders was just simply not a good QB at all. Yet he has all the physical tools. But let's not forget, BYU, K-State and KU really caused him problems, and they are just very bad teams (mostly KU and KState). IDC what any ding dong talking head says. Good QB's in college worthy of a top 10 pick won't lose to the likes of KU and K-State.

Travis Hunter is also an anomaly. He wasn't a great WR. He also wasn't a great CB. He was both, and "just" very good at both. But in the NFL doing both isn't going to work. Every single player, especially rookies struggle to play a full season and keep their bodies fresh. Even vets struggle with it. Playing both positions is just simply pre-destined for failure. That's not even accounting for injuries. A lot of player struggle to stay healthy a full season at one position, but two seems also like a fantasy. And let's also not forget, he struggled at both positions against literally some of the worst teams in college. (it's still completely weird that Colorado was even ranked).

Yet, there are people in the GM position and owners box that get stupid excited over shiny new toys and the marketing that can be worked with it. So while I don't think either Travis Hunter nor (especially Sanders) should be top 10, I wouldn't be shocked if someone like the Raiders took a stab at Sanders.

This is of course going to be wrong, but if I had to guess I would suspect something like :

1. Titans - Tetairoa McMillan
2. Browns - Cam Ward
3. Gaints - Jaxson Dart (Ward and Dart may end up being switched if Dart puts up better combine numbers)
4. Patriots - Aston Jeanty
5. Jaguars - Abdul Carter
6. Raiders - Sheduer Sanders
7. Jets - Mason Graham
8. Panthers - Tyler Warren
9. Saints - Will Campbell, Kenneth Grant

On top of that I expect the Cowboys to try and trade up to make a play on Jeanty, and the Dolphins and Niners to try and leap frog Carolina for Warren. The Jaguars could potentially go Will Campbell which would shake up the rest of everything but I don't think Mason Graham and Abdul Carter will slip to us. In honest, it's hard for me to have Cam Ward put in the top 5 and Sanders in the top 10 but I suspect there will be desperation picks (and I don't think it'll work out for whoever takes em). Pete Carroll is a really good coach, but I don't believe even he can make Sanders a top 10 QB. Maybe, just maybe a top 20 if he works lots of magic. The Browns shouldn't even pick a QB and just get a better Oline by taking Campbell while looking to next years draft full of good QB's to pick from, but they're notorious for dropping the ball when it comes to QB's and forcing that position.

So, this is how I think it *should* play out.

1. Titans - Tetairoa McMillan
2. Browns - Jaxson Dart
3. Gaints - Abdul Carter
4. Patriots - Aston Jeanty
5. Jaguars - Will Campbell
6. Raiders - Cam Ward
7. Jets - Mason Graham
8. Panthers - Tyler Warren
9. Saints - Kenneth Grant, Luther Burden III, Tyler Booker, Kevin Banks or Travis Hunter (he'll play WR here some in the slot which bothers me because Luther Burden III is a much better WR)

I’m very confident the draft is not going to play out like the above examples. A better chance Tetairoa drops out of the top 10 than going number 1 overall, which would be absolutely shocking. Doubt Abdul Carter gets out of the top 5. He’s a true blue chip prospect at a highly coveted position. Travis Hunter likely doesn’t get out of the top 5 either.

 

[St. Geezy]

This draft is super hard to predict early compared to most drafts. This is mostly because of Sanders and Travis Hunter. Sanders was just simply not a good QB at all. Yet he has all the physical tools. But let's not forget, BYU, K-State and KU really caused him problems, and they are just very bad teams (mostly KU and KState). IDC what any ding dong talking head says. Good QB's in college worthy of a top 10 pick won't lose to the likes of KU and K-State.

Travis Hunter is also an anomaly. He wasn't a great WR. He also wasn't a great CB. He was both, and "just" very good at both. But in the NFL doing both isn't going to work. Every single player, especially rookies struggle to play a full season and keep their bodies fresh. Even vets struggle with it. Playing both positions is just simply pre-destined for failure. That's not even accounting for injuries. A lot of player struggle to stay healthy a full season at one position, but two seems also like a fantasy. And let's also not forget, he struggled at both positions against literally some of the worst teams in college. (it's still completely weird that Colorado was even ranked).

Yet, there are people in the GM position and owners box that get stupid excited over shiny new toys and the marketing that can be worked with it. So while I don't think either Travis Hunter nor (especially Sanders) should be top 10, I wouldn't be shocked if someone like the Raiders took a stab at Sanders.

This is of course going to be wrong, but if I had to guess I would suspect something like :

1. Titans - Tetairoa McMillan
2. Browns - Cam Ward
3. Gaints - Jaxson Dart (Ward and Dart may end up being switched if Dart puts up better combine numbers)
4. Patriots - Aston Jeanty
5. Jaguars - Abdul Carter
6. Raiders - Sheduer Sanders
7. Jets - Mason Graham
8. Panthers - Tyler Warren
9. Saints - Will Campbell, Kenneth Grant or Travis Hunter (personally believing more likely to be Campbell) ( I would personally prefer us to walk away with Jeanty, Warren or Dart if they don't plan on targeting Nuss in next years draft).

On top of that I expect the Cowboys to try and trade up to make a play on Jeanty, and the Dolphins and Niners to try and leap frog Carolina for Warren. The Jaguars could potentially go Will Campbell which would shake up the rest of everything but I don't think Mason Graham and Abdul Carter will slip to us. In honest, it's hard for me to have Cam Ward put in the top 5 and Sanders in the top 10 but I suspect there will be desperation picks (and I don't think it'll work out for whoever takes em). Pete Carroll is a really good coach, but I don't believe even he can make Sanders a top 10 QB. Maybe, just maybe a top 20 if he works lots of magic. The Browns shouldn't even pick a QB and just get a better Oline by taking Campbell while looking to next years draft full of good QB's to pick from, but they're notorious for dropping the ball when it comes to QB's and forcing that position.

So, this is how I think it *should* play out.

1. Titans - Tetairoa McMillan
2. Browns - Jaxson Dart
3. Gaints - Abdul Carter
4. Patriots - Aston Jeanty
5. Jaguars - Will Campbell
6. Raiders - Cam Ward
7. Jets - Mason Graham
8. Panthers - Tyler Warren
9. Saints - Kenneth Grant, Luther Burden III, Tyler Booker, Kevin Banks or Travis Hunter (he'll play WR here some in the slot which bothers me because Luther Burden III is a much better WR)

Tet Miller first and Travis Hunter 10th eh?

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Tet Miller first and Travis Hunter 10th eh?

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Yup. It's utterly illogical to have them switched in terms of order and I suspect the Titans will want to give Levis a good weapon for his final attempt to prove he's worth keeping under center

 

[jboss]

This draft is super hard to predict early compared to most drafts. This is mostly because of Sanders and Travis Hunter. Sanders was just simply not a good QB at all. Yet he has all the physical tools. But let's not forget, BYU, K-State and KU really caused him problems, and they are just very bad teams (mostly KU and KState). IDC what any ding dong talking head says. Good QB's in college worthy of a top 10 pick won't lose to the likes of KU and K-State.

Travis Hunter is also an anomaly. He wasn't a great WR. He also wasn't a great CB. He was both, and "just" very good at both. But in the NFL doing both isn't going to work. Every single player, especially rookies struggle to play a full season and keep their bodies fresh. Even vets struggle with it. Playing both positions is just simply pre-destined for failure. That's not even accounting for injuries. A lot of player struggle to stay healthy a full season at one position, but two seems also like a fantasy. And let's also not forget, he struggled at both positions against literally some of the worst teams in college. (it's still completely weird that Colorado was even ranked).

Yet, there are people in the GM position and owners box that get stupid excited over shiny new toys and the marketing that can be worked with it. So while I don't think either Travis Hunter nor (especially Sanders) should be top 10, I wouldn't be shocked if someone like the Raiders took a stab at Sanders.

This is of course going to be wrong, but if I had to guess I would suspect something like :

1. Titans - Tetairoa McMillan
2. Browns - Cam Ward
3. Gaints - Jaxson Dart (Ward and Dart may end up being switched if Dart puts up better combine numbers)
4. Patriots - Aston Jeanty
5. Jaguars - Abdul Carter
6. Raiders - Sheduer Sanders
7. Jets - Mason Graham
8. Panthers - Tyler Warren
9. Saints - Will Campbell, Kenneth Grant

On top of that I expect the Cowboys to try and trade up to make a play on Jeanty, and the Dolphins and Niners to try and leap frog Carolina for Warren. The Jaguars could potentially go Will Campbell which would shake up the rest of everything but I don't think Mason Graham and Abdul Carter will slip to us. In honest, it's hard for me to have Cam Ward put in the top 5 and Sanders in the top 10 but I suspect there will be desperation picks (and I don't think it'll work out for whoever takes em). Pete Carroll is a really good coach, but I don't believe even he can make Sanders a top 10 QB. Maybe, just maybe a top 20 if he works lots of magic. The Browns shouldn't even pick a QB and just get a better Oline by taking Campbell while looking to next years draft full of good QB's to pick from, but they're notorious for dropping the ball when it comes to QB's and forcing that position.

So, this is how I think it *should* play out with the removal of QB desperation picks.

1. Titans - Tetairoa McMillan
2. Browns - Jaxson Dart
3. Gaints - Abdul Carter
4. Patriots - Aston Jeanty
5. Jaguars - Will Campbell
6. Raiders - Cam Ward
7. Jets - Mason Graham
8. Panthers - Tyler Warren
9. Saints - Kenneth Grant, Luther Burden III, Tyler Booker, Kevin Banks or Travis Hunter (he'll play WR here some in the slot which bothers me because Luther Burden III is a much better WR)

It is made extremely obvious how many of yall just straight up don't watch any of these games. I blame those dang mock draft simulators

 

[Saintstigerking]

The Lions didn’t fail to become a championship team because they drafted Sanders instead of a DT or Megatron instead of an OT.

Taking elite talent when available and BPA is the right move.

So linemen can’t be elite talents?

 

[3ParStillDriver]

It is made extremely obvious how many of yall just straight up don't watch any of these games. I blame those dang mock draft simulators

That's amusing to me, because I say the same exact thing. Which is exactly why I don't think Sanders is worth even a 1st round pick and Travis Hunter should drop out of the top 10.

 

[jboss]

That's amusing to me, because I say the same exact thing. Which is exactly why I don't think Sanders is worth even a 1st round pick and Travis Hunter should drop out of the top 10.

The comments about Travis Hunter as a player is a dead giveaway.