At what point is execution a coaching problem? (3 Viewers)

[SoggyBottomBoy]

Chicago won the toss and took the ball to start the game, on the road. Trotted out the UDFA rookie QB from Shepherd U and goes against the grain and passes on the first three plays: 13 yards, 16 yards, incomplete. They finish the drive with an 18 yard TD to Kmet. The routes had separation and they made it look easy and just like the Vikes, yesterday, chunk plays. Our offense seems to always be a grind except when we go hurry up. Offensive line is doing well enough now for us to move the ball with relative ease - Kamara/Williams/MIller, Olave, Thomas, Shaheed and Hill/Johnson/Moreau is a great set of weapons. Plus we have the change of pace with Taysom to keep defenses off balance. Carr is capable enough to run things, yet it seems defenses are a step ahead of us.

Execution is definitely a factor, but coaching is the biggest issue. Now it's becoming more on both sides of the ball.

 

[B4YOU]

Problems:
1. Looks like Johnson forgets if he is getting the pass or blocking.
2. Even if Johnson blocks he is too far inside to reach the outside CB. He needs to run past Rasheed.

 

[Saint Spud]

This is obviously just one play and Juwan screws it up. But the trend is repeated screw-ups and no accountability.

This.

When execution is consistently an issue, it’s because coaches are doing a poor job of preparing the players and/or putting them in positions to succeed.

 

[SystemShock]

I can tell you what I see:

I don't see a "perfect" 3 on 2. I see 3 Vikings defenders in front of 3 Saints, plus a safety 10 yards away. I can't make out the number, but the 3rd player is the one dead center in the image below; you can see him follow JJ while looking at the QB, and once he sees the ball thrown, he goes to the sideline and negates the "perfect" 3 on 2 that never was.

Prior to the snap, Taysom looks at the CB, but then locks onto the guy in front of him. When JJ gets there, he never looks at the CB; in the image below you can see JJ is looking at the guys inside.



By JJ's and Taysom's behavior, methinks the play was for Rashid to come to the ball and run around JJ to the inside. That's where the open field was. You can see the open field in the image below.



I think JJ's reaction of surprise comes from not expecting the CB to dash into the backfield, but rather, expecting the CB to follow Rashid to the inside and run into his and Taysom's blocks.

So, what I see, if anyone did what wasn't supposed to do on the field, it was Rashid.

This particular play, is it coaching, or the player? I don't watch practices. I don't know how many times that play was run in practice, I don't know how many different looks the defense gave them in practice. I don't know how well the play developed in practice. Did Rashid get the wrong signal in the huddle?

But, given what I have seen so far, in all of these games we have watched since last season, all the mental lapses, the wrong positions, by so many, I think I can safely assume it is the coaching is not there; it looks to me as if the work is not being done in practice, and that's on the coaches.

That's how I see it.

 

[boutte]

Saw this play highlighted. I remember seeing it live and thinking that Rasheed was about to run a long way. Instead, Juwan whiffs his block and it goes nowhere.

Obviously that’s execution, but at what point are these repeated screw-ups by skill position players on the coaches? How are WRs still ending up in the same spot so much? How are we still seeing routes run improperly?

Well he can't block before the pass is caught. Seems like strange way to set that play up, bringing a TE from the other end of line would require perfect timing.

 

[Saint Spud]

I can tell you what I see:

I don't see a "perfect" 3 on 2. I see 3 Vikings defenders in front of 3 Saints, plus a safety 10 yards away. I can't make out the number, but the 3rd player is the one dead center in the image below; you can see him follow JJ while looking at the QB, and once he sees the ball thrown, he goes to the sideline and negates the "perfect" 3 on 2 that never was.

Prior to the snap, Taysom looks at the CB, but then locks onto the guy in front of him. When JJ gets there, he never looks at the CB; in the image below you can see JJ is looking at the guys inside.



By JJ's and Taysom's behavior, methinks the play was for Rashid to come to the ball and run around JJ to the inside. That's where the open field was. You can see the open field in the in the image.



I think JJ's reaction of surprise comes from not expecting the CB to dash into the backfield, but rather, expecting the CB to follow Rashid to the inside and run into is and Taysom's the blocks.

So, what I see, if anyone did what wasn't supposed to do on the field, it was Rashid.

This particular play, is it coaching, or the player? I don't watch practices. I don't know how many times that play was run in practice, I don't know how many different looks the defense gave them in practice. I don't know how well the play developed in practice. Did Rashid get the wrong signal in the huddle?

But, given what I have seen so far, in all of these games we have watched since last season, all the mental lapses, the wrong positions, by so many, I think I can safely assume it is the coaching is not there; it looks to me as if the work is not being done in practice, and that's on the coaches.

That's how I see it.

All of this makes a lot of sense, too.

The only thing we know for sure is that it ain’t working. It’s impossible to know for sure which player should have done what. But we do know who’s responsible for making sure the players know their jobs and to make it simple enough for them to execute and play fast.

 

[SystemShock]

And another thing:

The Vikings are expecting pass all the way. Prior to the snap, there's no one behind the defensive line. The one defender closer to the line between the hashes, he's moving towards the side, eyeing the QB. There's only 3 defensive linemen to beat in the middle if they run the ball. I'm no NFL QB, but this looks to me this is when the QB should kill the pass play and run the ball.

 

[efil4stnias]

And another thing:

The Vikings are expecting pass all the way. Prior to the snap, there's no one behind the defensive line. I'm not NFL QB, but this looks to me this is when the QB should kill the pass play and run the ball.

Especially when our TENDENCY is tilted to PASS out of shotgun formation.

BREAK the TENDENCY.

How @#$@#$@#$ hard is this concept to grasp?

 

[SystemShock]

Especially when our TENDENCY is tilted to PASS out of shotgun formation.

BREAK the TENDENCY.

How @#$@#$@#$ hard is this concept to grasp?

Apparently, harder than we think

 

[Noble Saint]

Saw this play highlighted. I remember seeing it live and thinking that Rasheed was about to run a long way. Instead, Juwan whiffs his block and it goes nowhere.

Obviously that’s execution, but at what point are these repeated screw-ups by skill position players on the coaches? How are WRs still ending up in the same spot so much? How are we still seeing routes run improperly?

I’d say that’s 100% coaching. Him and Taysom went to block the same man. I’m sure there is a rule about who blocks who and one of them doesn’t know it. It’s the coaches job to make sure they know who to block.

 

[Noble Saint]

Does it not look like Juwan Johnson was reluctant to block? How do we solely blame coaching for a player’s hesitation?

You can blame coaching for not making sure Juwan knows what he’s doing. But Juwan has as much blame for knowing it’s a screen play and that he’s a blocker, but not blocking the immediate defender near the go to read receiver. Our players aren’t as good as we think they are, even in basic fundamentals. Juwan may not be where he should be at as a complete TE.

Moreau would’ve been the better TE to have in for blocking on a screen. But coaches used Juwan as a decoy.

It looks like he expected Taysom to block that guy.

 

[joefromla]

It's coaching. I don't believe that Allen has the team emotionally prepared for the start of the game. It takes the whole first half to get them pumped up emotionally, get the adrenaline flowing. Then we see a different second half. And execution improves. But, like the last game, by then it's too late.

 

[meily]

You practice the way you play, this is definitely on the coaching even if you see players false start or line up wrong, the execution is why you practice during the week and if come ganeday you have problems with execution, it's because of how your coached during the week

 

[reason2believe]

It’s about standards and expectations. SP and Brees expected everyone’s best and they also demanded respect.
That went out the door when they left.

 

[AARPSaint]

Seems there's a lot of disorganization, with players not getting into the huddle on time and/or lining up incorrectly. There's just too much confusion.