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The NFL and the majority of threads on this board seem to value athleticism over talent at the QB position. This is why the product has become awful and only a few good teams worth watching.

The fact Anthony Eichardson is somehow even in play for the #1 overall after the combine is a crazy. The #1 objective for a QB is to get the ball in the offensive players hands accurately and quickly. Yet the everyone is obsessed with “arm talent” and 40s for a QB. It’s crazy that the “traditional” QBs are being ripped apart for not being tall enough or athletic enough or can’t throw an 80 yr bomb off their back foot. Yet the same people are in love with the athletic QB with big arm that can’t hit the broad side of the barn or one read QBs. Those traits can’t be taught in the NFL. Consistency can be taught from repetition but not the others.

Next are we gonna want our lineman to run 40s? We have lost sight on what a qb is supposed to be good at. If Lamar Jackson and Jalen hurts are the new NFL standard then count me out. However I don’t think that will be the case, as the QBs with success (SB appearances) are good QBs first and foremost and athletic secondary.

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Mahomes, Burrow, and Allen are great QB’s in todays league. Lamar Jackson and Jalen Hurts are examples of players that will not be the same past their rookie contracts. Without their legs they are not starters and their legs have a quick expiration date compared to how long you expect a franchise QB to play.
 
It's combine season, so there will be a much higher propensity for people to churn out some hot takes on these prospects. That's just going to be the norm until at least draft day.

People just get seduced by simple factors like track speed and college numbers. Thing is, though, even the professional evaluators admit they get it wrong a very large percentage of the time, too.

Meanwhile we're just amateurs and as long as we don't take our unqualified opinions too seriously, it's all good.
 
cbord12 said:
The NFL and the majority of threads on this board seem to value athleticism over talent at the QB position. This is why the product has become awful and only a few good teams worth watching.

The fact Anthony Eichardson is somehow even in play for the #1 overall after the combine is a crazy. The #1 objective for a QB is to get the ball in the offensive players hands accurately and quickly. Yet the everyone is obsessed with “arm talent” and 40s for a QB. It’s crazy that the “traditional” QBs are being ripped apart for not being tall enough or athletic enough or can’t throw an 80 yr bomb off their back foot. Yet the same people are in love with the athletic QB with big arm that can’t hit the broad side of the barn or one read QBs. Those traits can’t be taught in the NFL. Consistency can be taught from repetition but not the others.

Next are we gonna want our lineman to run 40s? We have lost sight on what a qb is supposed to be good at. If Lamar Jackson and Jalen hurts are the new NFL standard then count me out. However I don’t think that will be the case, as the QBs with success (SB appearances) are good QBs first and foremost and athletic secondary.

* END RANT*
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Yeah... sounds like you're the one putting too much stock into one combine performance.

Richardson is not in the conversation for #1. He just had a great combine so ofc NFL network/espn will talk about it. Same as Malik from last year.

Also what's wrong with Hurts/Jackson??? Hurts just took that team to the SB and Jackson is a former MVP.
 
cbord12 said:
The NFL and the majority of threads on this board seem to value athleticism over talent at the QB position. This is why the product has become awful and only a few good teams worth watching.

The fact Anthony Eichardson is somehow even in play for the #1 overall after the combine is a crazy. The #1 objective for a QB is to get the ball in the offensive players hands accurately and quickly. Yet the everyone is obsessed with “arm talent” and 40s for a QB. It’s crazy that the “traditional” QBs are being ripped apart for not being tall enough or athletic enough or can’t throw an 80 yr bomb off their back foot. Yet the same people are in love with the athletic QB with big arm that can’t hit the broad side of the barn or one read QBs. Those traits can’t be taught in the NFL. Consistency can be taught from repetition but not the others.

Next are we gonna want our lineman to run 40s? We have lost sight on what a qb is supposed to be good at. If Lamar Jackson and Jalen hurts are the new NFL standard then count me out. However I don’t think that will be the case, as the QBs with success (SB appearances) are good QBs first and foremost and athletic secondary.

* END RANT*
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Richardson is more than an athlete. That’s a lazy description. He has an absolute rocket of an arm. He can be accurate but his mechanics are inconsistent. He works hard as well. If Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, and Josh Allen were able to manage to become elite QBs, then Richardson could as well. There is a ton of recall bias here. People pretend that Allen, Hurts, and Jackson were elite college passers. They weren’t.
 
Like anything people will gravitate to anything pretty. I will admit and had posted in another thread that I was not a fan of Richardson. I watched him in college and wasn't impressed with some of his throws. In tight coverages and throws necessary to be an nfl quarterback, he wasn't that good. In the NFL guys will not be wide open often as it is in college.

But watching him throws in the combine, he impressed me. His touch on the deep throws was outstanding. He has full body control when throwing. He looks like a freak of player. He is not huge but looks like a freak. Cam Newton and Josh Allen are big but not like Richardson. So I see how his stock went up from yesterday. I expect him to be drafted top 10 now.

But I agree with your point. I am more interested in getting guys who I preceive as NFL ready who can make the necessary throws to be successful in the NFL. Athletic ability is great to have and a quarterback now must have some of it. But I am looking for the total package. I am guilty of looking at throws at the combine and pro days and get excited about it but I like to see more. Couple of years ago I really was impressed with Zach Wilson at his combine and pro day and really thought he was going to be better than Trevor Lawrence. Man I was wrong.
You can take the NBA 3 point competition as an example. You can be the best 3 pointer and win every year. But doesn't make you a good NBA player.

Now after yesterday, I will be not as mad if we draft him. I still would not, but I won't be upset by it if we do.
 
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Josh Allen was one of the most athletic/most inaccurate passers in college and still remained a horrible passer in his first 2 years in the league. Yet he was coached up and improved his completion percentage by a lot in year 3 and on.

Teams, who have decent OCs and QB coaches, see the same potential and scenario playing out with Richardson. He can flourish in an offense like Hurts is in while he progresses as a passer over a few years.
 
I have stated that I don’t believe that AR-15 is a 1st rd talent. His inexperience and inaccuracy is my reasoning behind my assessment. With that being said, I am a fan of a mobile QB with tremendous upside. They have the highest ceiling imho of all QBs bc they can make chicken salad out of chicken 💩 when a play breaks down. Some team will select him, especially with the combine he is having. You win the combine, you win yourself a lot of money.
 
sammymvpknight said:
Richardson is more than an athlete. That’s a lazy description. He has an absolute rocket of an arm. He can be accurate but his mechanics are inconsistent. He works hard as well. If Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, and Josh Allen were able to manage to become elite QBs, then Richardson could as well. There is a ton of recall bias here. People pretend that Allen, Hurts, and Jackson were elite college passers. They weren’t.
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This is exatly what I mean. Lamar not hurts or close to elite. Elite athletes yes. Elite QBs no. Hurts has two top 20 wrs that looked like scrubs most the time bc he’s inaccurate and a single read QB. Lamar can’t even throw to WRs lol. Only his TE. Allen was a much better prospect then any of these guys.
 
cbord12 said:
This is exatly what I mean. Lamar not hurts or close to elite. Elite athletes yes. Elite QBs no. Hurts has two top 20 wrs that looked like scrubs most the time bc he’s inaccurate and a single read QB. Lamar can’t even throw to WRs lol. Only his TE. Allen was a much better prospect then any of these guys.
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AR's comp is Allen, not Lamar or Hurts.
 
SonOfNOLA said:
Josh Allen was one of the most athletic/most inaccurate passers in college and still remained a horrible passer in his first 2 years in the league. Yet he was coached up and improved his completion percentage by a lot in year 3 and on.

Teams, who have decent OCs and QB coaches, see the same potential and scenario playing out with Richardson. He can flourish in an offense like Hurts is in while he progresses as a passer over a few years.
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So let’s point to one success story lol. How about Trey lance? Jordan love? Zach Wilson? Justin Fields? Do I need to go on? The most important trait is vision, anticipation, and accuracy, along with pocket awareness. Great if he’s mobile too that’s just even more upside.
 

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