Besides Ms B closing the book on Allen, the loudest message today was... (1 Viewer)

[JackDiesel]

Great job Ms. B. It's embarrassing for Loomis she had to step in and do his job for him. This shouldn't have to come from the owner, she shouldn't have to email players and get their take on the locker room. She did and I'm grateful for it.

 

[El Caliente]

Mickeys coaches show is tomorrow isn’t it?

Will his chewing gum be able to stand up to all the chewing?

 

[ravenblade23x]

You infer that ML thinks that DA is blameless with is pure conjecture on your part, You have no idea how much ML thinks DA is the problem. weather or not DA was fired today or at the end of the season accountability is demonstrated. But keeping him to the end of the season shows potential HC's that the FO is willing to give a HC every chance to turn it around in the face of an incredible amount of injuries.
And make no mistake if we would have been relativity injury free our record would reflect that

Great job on ignoring the many aspects of my original post that you got completely wrong and pretending like you never said them.

Since you still can't seem to read my post, I will remind you that the first thing I said is we will never really know the truth. I am admitting that it's quite possible that this was ML's decision because I have no way of knowing.

But you are doing some crazy mental gymnastics if think there is no way to infer that ML was keen on keeping Allen at least until the end of the season Everything he has said leading up to this point has inferred that he would prefer to keep him. Remember we need to look beyond the results. I don't have to infer anything Loomis said it himself.

Did you just miss the part in my post where I clearly said that it's quite possible that ML would have still fired Allen at the end of the season if Ms. B had not taken action. I never said that Allen was immune from blame, and that his job was safe. I just said I don't think if it was 100% ML's choice he would have fired him now, I think he would have rather waited till the end of the season, see how things played out and then made the choice.

Clearly the injuries have had an affect on the team, no one is stupid enough to think other wise. but consider this.

We lost the Philly game when we where still pretty healthy, had the lead with under 2 minutes and blew it.

We lost the Atlanta game when we where still pretty healthy, had the lead with under 1 minute and blew it.

We where never beating the Chiefs, this team has always played poorly against true playoff caliber teams.

Please for the love of god don't blame that Panthers game on injuries, by every metric in football we should have won.

That's already 4 loses that have way less to do with injuries and way more to do with coaching/mental errors and poor player performance. The reality is the injuries did happen and any rewriting of history is just conjuncture that's simply not based on facts.

 

[bayoumilitia]

... the complete silence from Mickey Loomis.

This tells me that Dennis was going to be Mickey's choice for 2025. I believe that he was convinced Allen would have righted the ship given enough time.
It doesn't sit well with me that the GM of the team was not vocally involved in any public way. This can only mean that he was not in agreement with the decision by Gayle Benson.

I believe that we are going to see a Loomis retirement at the end on this season. He just didn't see Dennis Allen as the problem. And his silence spoke volumes, loud & clear.

Totally agree,

Mrs Gayle can be shrewd . Just ask some of those that work at her dealerships when she gets customer complaints. However, firing a car salesman isn’t on the same level as firing an NFL coach or especially Loomis. And let’s not forget Lauscha and Bensel that sat by as this happened as well. Gayle needs a consulting firm to tell her what we all know. They all have to go.

Keep Hartley though because man if he can juggle ML horrible backloaded contracts then imagine what our cap situation would be if SP and ML did pass that burden on to Hartley for years.

Heck that might entitle Hartley to a shot at GM which also gets us perks for the Rooney rule compliance

 

[bayoumilitia]

Great job on ignoring the many aspects of my original post that you got completely wrong and pretending like you never said them.

Since you still can't seem to read my post, I will remind you that the first thing I said is we will never really know the truth. I am admitting that it's quite possible that this was ML's decision because I have no way of knowing.

But you are doing some crazy mental gymnastics if think there is no way to infer that ML was keen on keeping Allen at least until the end of the season Everything he has said leading up to this point has inferred that he would prefer to keep him. Remember we need to look beyond the results. I don't have to infer anything Loomis said it himself.

Did you just miss the part in my post where I clearly said that it's quite possible that ML would have still fired Allen at the end of the season if Ms. B had not taken action. I never said that Allen was immune from blame, and that his job was safe. I just said I don't think if it was 100% ML's choice he would have fired him now, I think he would have rather waited till the end of the season, see how things played out and then made the choice.

Clearly the injuries have had an affect on the team, no one is stupid enough to think other wise. but consider this.

We lost the Philly game when we where still pretty healthy, had the lead with under 2 minutes and blew it.

We lost the Atlanta game when we where still pretty healthy, had the lead with under 1 minute and blew it.

We where never beating the Chiefs, this team has always played poorly against true playoff caliber teams.

Please for the love of god don't blame that Panthers game on injuries, by every metric in football we should have won.

That's already 4 loses that have way less to do with injuries and way more to do with coaching/mental errors and poor player performance. The reality is the injuries did happen and any rewriting of history is just conjuncture that's simply not based on facts.

To further back your point, going into Sundays games teams that outgained their opponents by over 150 yards and win the turnover battle were 275-0.

Now, thank you Saints are 275-1

 

[SweetT]

False. The loudest message will always be the firing of the in headlights. ML’s silence is a footnote until we get towards the end of the season

 

[bayoumilitia]

Sports Illustrated quoted Underhill that Ms. Benson spoke candidly with players and they said that change needed to be made and the need was urgent. She pulled the plug. Sounds to me that Loomis could be in Jeopardy

God I hope every member of upper management is fair game

 

[bayoumilitia]

ML Has not been silent, he said pretty much the same thing Mrs. B said
I think ML's plan was to let the rest of the season play out and see how much and if DA could make any progress and if not ML would have let him go at the end of the season.
Everything you are saying is complete conjecture

Your comments are also filled with conjecture. ML could have kept DA through 2025 if it was up to his own arrogance. I keep telling fans like you but for some reason people want to not defend Loomis but act as if he wasn’t the guy that passed over a few very qualified candidates and decided that DA was the right guy to lead this team to win championships. His words. I don’t doubt what you are saying that ML believed that DA wasn’t the issue. The issue is ML being delusional enough to think that a guy that never took a team to the playoffs as a coach could do it and with the same mediocre QB that was with both franchises. So yeah I don’t doubt his beliefs I doubt his understanding of where this organization really was, hoiw the players felt, and to keep signing off on bad dead money deals for decent players that make it hard to even trade for draft picks guys like Lattimore or Kamara. We’d pay a team to trade for those guys. It’s absolutely insane. Any other GM that has done and not accomplished anything in over a decade if at all would have been replaced by now

 

[bayoumilitia]

Above all else Mick is a miserly accountant. He can kick the can on players contracts and keep that stink down the road. Dennis still had two years on his 5y/35m left. Mick didn’t have the dried raisins to eat that loss on his bottom line.
What this shows me is he don’t know crap about football. He knows how to read a few bullet points . Everything else he defers to the head coach. He was lost when Payton left and too prideful to ask for outside help during that turbulent time. One thing Allen can do is rattle off cliches and buzzwords.
Mickeys time has passed as a GM.

Agree but we do have the best cap guy in Hartley. He literally has been taking these crap deals and making the numbers work with little to know help from the guy that signs off on every deal, Loomis

 

[bayoumilitia]

Will his chewing gum be able to stand up to all the chewing?

I’ll be listening in but I got a feeling his show might get high jacked by election coverage lol. How convenient

 

[Hubig]

Really need to go get someone to be your GM from one of these well-established organizations and bring in a football guy from there and let him basically cook. GB, Baltimore and KC. The entire draft process needs to change, you cannot forever live on journeymen castoff's and UDFA pickups because your cap space is in the toilet. The draft is the bedrock of your team whilst FA is used to augment the roster. There was no cap space to really address issues with the offensive line and you entire plan this season was hoping Penning could transform into something and injuries would be kept at a minimum.

This team has so many holes and the only way to plug them is hitting in the draft. This team needs multiple 2017 drafts over the next 3 years which would also include a hit on a QB. That is just so unrealistic given 2017 was a historic draft.

 

[Hedon James]

Your comments are also filled with conjecture. ML could have kept DA through 2025 if it was up to his own arrogance. I keep telling fans like you but for some reason people want to not defend Loomis but act as if he wasn’t the guy that passed over a few very qualified candidates and decided that DA was the right guy to lead this team to win championships. His words. I don’t doubt what you are saying that ML believed that DA wasn’t the issue. The issue is ML being delusional enough to think that a guy that never took a team to the playoffs as a coach could do it and with the same mediocre QB that was with both franchises. So yeah I don’t doubt his beliefs I doubt his understanding of where this organization really was, hoiw the players felt, and to keep signing off on bad dead money deals for decent players that make it hard to even trade for draft picks guys like Lattimore or Kamara. We’d pay a team to trade for those guys. It’s absolutely insane. Any other GM that has done and not accomplished anything in over a decade if at all would have been replaced by now

Well said. But despite all that, I could still look past MLs actions and see the situation through his perspective AT THE TIME THOSE DECISIONS were made. I can connect the dots and see the picture he saw. So I can give him a pass for that. He took swings, he just kept missing.

What I CANNOT overlook is the fact that he allowed this situation to fester as long as it did, through his inaction, or through his failure to consider additional information brought to his attention. As the GM, he is supposed to have his finger on the pulse of this team. He CLEARLY did not, and does not. We supposedly have an "absentee owner" who "doesn't know football" and simply "rubber stamps" whatever ML asks of her. And yet that owner was able to poke around in the locker room, establish a rapport with players, and identify an issue that was OVERDUE for attention. And if that wasn't enough, SHE took the appropriate action. How was our "absentee, rubber-stamp owner who doesn't know football" able to identify this issue so quickly, when the GM continued to dismiss the stockpiling evidence that tens of thousands (possibly hundreds of thousands) of fans were SCREAMING and POINTING at for over 2 years. This didn't happen quickly. Loomis had MANY opportunities to remedy the situation, and refused. For reasons known only to him. It took Mrs. B less than 14 days.

THAT is a problem. I can't overlook that. It took Mrs. B less than 2 weeks to investigate and conclude that action was required, and then took that action. At best, ML had concluded to wait until season's end, after Rome had completely burned to the ground. There's also a very real possibility he would have done NOTHING, as he did at the end of 2022 and 2023 seasons. At best, he was negligent. At worst, he was willfully negligent and careless. Neither are acceptable.

Mrs. B is now doing the GM job for ML, taking action ML was trying to avoid. If the owner has to do the GM job for the GM, that GM is no longer needed. I think ML deserves to finish the season with his pride intact (after 23 years of notorious service and a SB championship), then get retired or another "front office only" role, and find a GM with personnel chops. I hope Harley is retained, as I think he's valuable, but I don't want to see him as next GM as I think he's just ML part 2...financial wizard, no personnel skills. When you're keeping a championship window open and trying to retain key pieces, an argument can be made for a "financial GM", but we aren't that team anymore. When you're trying to build your team into championship caliber, you need the PERSONNEL to do it. Find a GM with personnel skills!

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

There is no way to ever know the truth of the matter, but I have seen nothing from Loomis that suggested he felt like DA was the issue.

His statement read:

"Dennis Allen is an excellent football coach. This season, we have had an avalanche of injuries. It took its toll. Dennis Allen has never offered excuses, he fought each day for this organization and this team and that is what makes today disappointing."

LOL that is not the statement of someone who thought the coach should be fired. Loomis still thinks there's a pony somewhere in that pile of horse manure.

 

[ravenblade23x]

LOL that is not the statement of someone who thought the coach should be fired. Loomis still thinks there's a pony somewhere in that pile of horse manure.

Yeah I agree with this, that was the entire point of the post I made.

 

[sfidc3]

Great job Ms. B. It's embarrassing for Loomis she had to step in and do his job for him. This shouldn't have to come from the owner, she shouldn't have to email players and get their take on the locker room. She did and I'm grateful for it.

Yup, and some of the absolutely silly speculation that somehow ML was "on board" is ridiculous......because there is zero evidence, and it's the lamest attempt to somehow magically dispel the notion that Gayle did it because Loomis wouldn't.....it's puzzling to me how there are Saints fans that would actually defend ML at this point.....