Bowden had more snaps than Shaheed. Any scouts can share their thoughts? (1 Viewer)

[Bozzhawg318]

It's only underrated when you have a coach that knows when to flip the tendency and use that against them.

exactly, tendency building needs to work in each game. Not one week then we don't see it for another month.
Especially when your offense has been looking for any spark it can get

 

[SystemShock]

Sometimes less is better this aint madden you cant send a guy down a field 50 yards each play 30 plays a game without wearing down his legs. Sometimes its better to let him be fresh and bring him in when the def is fatigue also if you start forcing him the ball you going see that blanket coverage safety over top corner underneath. I actually wont be suprise if it begins in a couple of weeks and his prod slows down.

Surely you can do it once every drive.
If he starts pulling extra coverage, it opens someone else.

 

[platinumvinnyv]

The Jerry Rice thing, the idea that I believe or the only way to get Shaheed the ball more is on 30 go-routes a game, the false idea that I am beating my chest as a former WR as the basis for me being right about Shaheed. Come on, analyze what you write, and be sure you’re arguing with facts rather than have a person have to defend twisted words; that’s all I ask.

At the end of the day, I simply believe that a player that has shown that he’s a playmaker with virtually every offensive touch he gets should get significantly more touches and that we should find more ways to get him the ball, and you don’t.

Like I said, I have no idea how or why this is somehow such a contentious notion to where all this bickering is necessary, but it is what it is.

You keep saying I put words in your mouth or twisted your words. Its actually the opposite, like you are projecting.
1. I said 5 times, because Shaheed is known for his go routes I assumed you wanted him to run more Go routes or clear out routes. In your original post you did not mention anything we should try him running screens, you left it up to the reader for interpretation and that is what I interpreted. So if I assumed you meant post routes based on MY interpretation of your post is why I said he get tired.
2. I never said that Shaheed could not run other routes. If Shaheed mostly run clear out routes and is good at them, as well as the coaching staff mostly puts on those routes I assumed he not as good as other WR at those routes Just like you assume he is based on you playing College football and believe a NFL player
3. When I made you assumed I was calling you a simple minded something which I stated based point 1 was a reference that running go routes all game would not be a good idea, cause in madden you can run go routes and not fatigue.

Even now you are acting like a victim when you literally called Mike McDaniel, a Contrarian (even though you opinion is not the majority as seen), I put words in your mouth, and IMPLIED that your opinion holds more weight cuz you played football.

I dont see the need to force feed Shaheed when he is, the guy blows the top open, he run jet sweeps and returns kicks and punts. Thats MY Opinion. Forcefeeding a players only draw more coverage and hinders effectiveness an opion I stated previously as well

 

[platinumvinnyv]

Surely you can do it once every drive.
If he starts pulling extra coverage, it opens someone else.

I feel like thats fair but it has to be timed I hate when they randomly just heave the ball just to go into a second and long the RB dive on second down. I think when they set it early with the run i think it becomes more effective

 

[St. Geezy]

You keep saying I put words in your mouth or twisted your words. Its actually the opposite, like you are projecting.
1. I said 5 times, because Shaheed is known for his go routes I assumed you wanted him to run more Go routes or clear out routes. In your original post you did not mention anything we should try him running screens, you left it up to the reader for interpretation and that is what I interpreted. So if I assumed you meant post routes based on MY interpretation of your post is why I said he get tired.

Hmmm...

One day the staff will realize that Shaheed should be an almost every down, featured player…a weekly focal point, used all over the field, even out of the backfield.

Maybe he is still figuring things out assignment wise though.

So your interpretation of me saying Shaheed "should be a weekly focal point, used all over the field, even out of the backfield, was "Oh he must mean run go routes all game long" and I am wrong for assuming that that line preceded by "This ain't Madden" shouldn't have been taken offense to?


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2. I never said that Shaheed could not run other routes.

Ummm, gaslight much? Let's check the receipts...

He is a speedster he doesnt get open from his separation because of his route running. All his big plays have been from running straight or a double move. and then run straight. What other routes has he done or what makes him super talented. and he also did an end around last year. You acting like im tripping because I assume you wanted him to run go routes all game

What other routes does he run that he has been successful? You said he hes talented but at what? Put him all over the field to run what route?

Sounds to me like you don't think he can do much else to me, but hey, what do I know?
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3. When I made you assumed I was calling you a simple minded something which I stated based point 1 was a reference that running go routes all game would not be a good idea, cause in madden you can run go routes and not fatigue.

Yes usually when someone starts their sentence off with the context of "This ain't Madden" and then adds some dumb common sense anecdote that a player can't run go routes all game long, that's usually going to be interpreted as "This guy thinks I am an idiot."

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Even now you are acting like a victim when you literally called Mike McDaniel, a Contrarian (even though you opinion is not the majority as seen), I put words in your mouth, and IMPLIED that your opinion holds more weight cuz you played football.

What are you even talking about? My opinion is "not majority as seen?"

"I am acting like a victim when I literally called Mike McDaniel?" Huh?

I never said my opinion holds more weight because I played football. I literally only mentioned that in the context of "I know a man can't run go routes all game long."


Debating with people like you is exhausting.

 

[platinumvinnyv]

Hmmm...



So your interpretation of me saying Shaheed "should be a weekly focal point, used all over the field, even out of the backfield, was "Oh he must mean run go routes all game long" and I am wrong for assuming that that line preceded by "This ain't Madden" shouldn't have been taken offense to?


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Ummm, gaslight much? Let's check the receipts...





Sounds to me like you don't think he can do much else to me, but hey, what do I know?
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Yes usually when someone starts their sentence off with the context of "This ain't Madden" and then adds some dumb common sense anecdote that a player can't run go routes all game long, that's usually going to be interpreted as "This guy thinks I am an idiot."

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What are you even talking about? My opinion is "not majority as seen?"

"I am acting like a victim when I literally called Mike McDaniel?" Huh?

I never said my opinion holds more weight because I played football. I literally only mentioned that in the context of "I know a man can't run go routes all game long."


Debating with people like you is exhausting.

Bro you literally cutting out things I said and to meet your narrative example below. You purposely ignored part of my comments on why I assumed what I did, all day. I literally said the same thing copy and paste.

2. I never said that Shaheed could not run other routes. (the only part you paste) If Shaheed mostly run clear out routes and is good at them, as well as the coaching staff mostly puts on those routes I assumed he not as good as other WR at those routes Just like you assume he is based on you playing College football and believe a NFL player.

You assumed that I said he could not run other routes when I said he doesn't run routes well and he not as good as the other WR. He can still run routes just not good. This is basically your rebuttles in a nutshell LOL
I apologize if I hurt your feelings about the madden comment.

 

[St. Geezy]

Just a semi-neutral observer...... even if you had to pull an edited web-shot down circling what aspects of the strawman concept I had engaged in then attach it to your post critiquing me (and trust ... I take no offense and thought it rather funny).

You are the one kind of red-zoning here. The topic is only contentious because you are making it so. Tone in the printed text is a hard thing to get ... but .... and here is where that neutral part comes in to play. Your tone right now is conveying hostility so I think that is what is making this contentious.
Just throw in an emoji or two and you can really get away with saying most anything it turns down the volume figuratively at least. Even the one can turn it down a bit.


On the topic at hand I am wholeheartedly in the camp that he does need to be featured more, along with Taysom. They both bring elite speed that's hard to defend. The go route is cool but I think they both can do a lot more than the simple roles we slot them into and they most certainly can and definitely should be featured more. We just need to open up our offense more and run tempo, we spent all this $$ on a QB lets let him do his thing. More plays equates to more touches for everyone so running tempo and sustaining drives gets everyone more. We were at our best when we were running guys in and out of the game so fast that opponents didn't have time to adjust because we had so much coming at them their heads were swimming. Presently, we have the shifting of personnel we just do it so predictably and at such a slow pace that we aren't fooling anyone. Guy X does this, guy Y does this, guy Z does this, maybe make guy X look like he so doing guy X type stuff then have him do guy Z type stuff.

At the end of the day bottom line I agree with you Shaheed needs more involvement.

Similar to NFL personal fouls, it's always the second guy, the one that reacts to the initial combatant, that ends up being the one that gets popped.

My tone is that of a person that merely made a suggestion that a player that produces with virtually every touch should get more touches, and it got met with the opinion of "This ain't Madden, he can't run go routes 30 times a game," and then once he started the word-twisting, that's when I had enough.

 

[St. Geezy]

Bro you literally cutting out things I said and to meet your narrative example below. You purposely ignored part of my comments on why I assumed what I did, all day. I literally said the same thing copy and paste.

2. I never said that Shaheed could not run other routes. (the only part you paste) If Shaheed mostly run clear out routes and is good at them, as well as the coaching staff mostly puts on those routes I assumed he not as good as other WR at those routes Just like you assume he is based on you playing College football and believe a NFL player.

You assumed that I said he could not run other routes when I said he doesn't run routes well and he not as good as the other WR. He can still run routes just not good. This is basically your rebuttles in a nutshell LOL
I apologize if I hurt your feelings about the madden comment.

Okay great...are you done now?

 

[platinumvinnyv]

Okay great...are you done now?

Yeah man sorry about madden comment

 

[SystemShock]

I hate when they randomly just heave the ball just to go into a second and long the RB dive on second down.

I feel you.

 

[boutte]

Hmmm...



So your interpretation of me saying Shaheed "should be a weekly focal point, used all over the field, even out of the backfield, was "Oh he must mean run go routes all game long" and I am wrong for assuming that that line preceded by "This ain't Madden" shouldn't have been taken offense to?


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Ummm, gaslight much? Let's check the receipts...





Sounds to me like you don't think he can do much else to me, but hey, what do I know?
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Yes usually when someone starts their sentence off with the context of "This ain't Madden" and then adds some dumb common sense anecdote that a player can't run go routes all game long, that's usually going to be interpreted as "This guy thinks I am an idiot."

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What are you even talking about? My opinion is "not majority as seen?"

"I am acting like a victim when I literally called Mike McDaniel?" Huh?

I never said my opinion holds more weight because I played football. I literally only mentioned that in the context of "I know a man can't run go routes all game long."


Debating with people like you is exhausting.

Debating is a waste, nobody ever concedes.

 

[webster]

Surely you can do it once every drive.
If he starts pulling extra coverage, it opens someone else.

I agree, plus these guys are professional athletes and can handle running especially when they get short rest between plays and then sit on the bench when the defense is on the field.

 

[webster]

You took the straw man bait, hook, line, and sinker.



No one said anything about the man running go routes all game long and wearing himself out other than the person claiming it would be dumb to.

News flash - other teams feature players all the time. This isn’t some radical thing I’m suggesting, and for it to be getting met with this much antagonist energy is hilarious to me.

Sean Payton seems to have instilled this idea in our fanbase (and perhaps even our current coaches) that featured players don’t exist or that it is some big no-no to avoid at all costs.

You even see it on game days when guys seem to disappear as soon as they get rolling.

This!

 

[St. Geezy]

So apparently Colts defenders clowned Bowden during the game about never catching passes and only being in there to block…

 

[St. Geezy]

So apparently Colts defenders clowned Bowden during the game about never catching passes and only being in there to block…

At the end it sounds like the Colts defender is saying “I got y’all now.”

Dammit, Pete.