BS penalty. Int. grounding on Jameis. (1 Viewer)

[MJ in Calif]

As has already been noted. It seems that JW, Carmichael, and Allen all thought the clock was going to start, since the officials were running full speed to set the ball and move move the chains, like Landry was inbounds.

You're confusing the college game with the pro game. Clock does not stop like that after a 1st down unless the official signals to stop if the play ends out of bounds. If that's the case, shame on JW, DA, and Carmicheal.

 

[MJ in Calif]

I think the headset was off since it was 2mins warning. Jameis was on his own.

I'm not following......

 

[Judge_Smails]

I think the headset was off since it was 2mins warning. Jameis was on his own.

I didn’t know they cut the communication off 2 minutes or under?

 

[Brennan77]

You can’t clock the ball if the clock is already stopped. The coaching staff should have told Winston that the refs stopped the clock.

Why not? It doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Brennan77]

The refs did not need to say anything. The game clock was stopped. That answers the question. It was a mistake by Winston. He compounded the mistake by grounding the ball with time left for the Falcons to still have a chance on third down. Either could have cost the Saints the game. The third down play was worse given you could have easily taken an endzone shot or tried to get the first down. Lack of awareness on Winston's part on both.

Yeah I think he was confused and thought it was 2nd down. Ideally you try to get closer and use more clock

 

[Judge_Smails]

You're confusing the college game with the pro game. Clock does not stop like that after a 1st down unless the official signals to stop if the play ends out of bounds. If that's the case, shame on JW, DA, and Carmicheal.

I hear you, but I am not confusing anything. It looked like Landry was touched in bounds and the refs rushing to set the ball made it look like they thought so too. It seems like our coaches and QB read it that way as well.

 

[brandon8283]

From that Mahomes article it seems there is a specific rule that says if the clock is NOT running prior to the snap of the football then a spiked football a spike results in the penalty.

I kind of think you're overcomplicating it from there because conceptually that seems pretty simple to me. If it's a situation such as this one where it makes no sense to spike the football, it results in penalty. You get penalized for being stupid enough to do something you shouldn't do, essentially.

Yea, if that’s the rule, then it’s fine.

No one has been able to show that rule in the rule book yet though.

 

[Yatman]

it's done, over, and obviously legal

if still bothering you, go look it up

 

[brandon8283]

it's done, over, and obviously legal

if still bothering you, go look it up

Sure thing:

2022 NFL Rulebook | NFL Football Operations

Explore the official 2022 NFL rulebook.

operations.nfl.com

It’s not there.

 

[Spec]

Landry was the one who ran across the field and rushed the ball into the spotting official’s hands to hurry up the next play — I think most everyone, both teams and most of the officials, thought that the clock was still running because of the way Jarvis reacted.

But the lead official was ready with that flag when Jameis spiked it — he knew what was going on and did not communicate it to anyone else on the field. Hmmmmm

 

[Saint Taysom]

For the record… the unnecessary roughness on Werner was garbage, and Kyle Pitts FUMBLED that ball in the 1st half!!! Yet, they didn’t even review it!!

Gifted the Turds 3 points before half

 

[Brandon13]

Yea, if that’s the rule, then it’s fine.

No one has been able to show that rule in the rule book yet though.

A.R. 8.89
INTENTIONAL GROUNDING—SPIKE TO CONSUME TIME

First-and-10 on B30. The game clock is stopped with six seconds left in the first half. QBA1 takes the snap and immediately spikes the ball into the ground to take one second off the clock so that a field-goal attempt will run out the clock.

Ruling: Half over. Intentional grounding and a 10-second runoff. A QB can only spike the ball to stop a running game clock. An attempt to take time off the clock is intentional grounding.

Don't feel like searching to find it for the 2022 rulebook lol, but that's it.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://nflcommunications.com/Documents/2021%2520-%2520Rule%2520Book%2520%2520Case%2520Book.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi_qMzv-436AhXbmmoFHegRBWIQFnoECBQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1WYwih7vKicQrscGhskQIq

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

By the way, I thought Jonathan Vilma was pretty lackluster today. There were numerous game-affecting moments that he failed to notice or mention. Conversely, there were a few times when he mentioned something that had no bearing on the game whatsoever. Like at the end when the clock stopped with :03 seconds left, he said, "That'll save them the timeout." For what, JV?

In that instance he was making up for the inexplicable Falcon decision to let the clock run from like :11 with one TO left

 

[PuddinheadSr]

IDK but I van see how it could be ruled IG. Saints coaching should have been aware of this and not have Winston spike it when it was completely unnecessary. I mean you have to be aware of that. I'm faulting DA more than the officials on that.

At least one of the officials on the sideline near the catch initially swung the arm in the "run the clock" signal. He may have been overruled, but in the frantic final minute of a game it would have been easy for players or coaches to see and immediately start the rush to the LOS.

 

[lapaz]

Correct me if I'm wrong here. Once you snap the ball, the clock runs, correct? So, even if the clock was stopped beforehand, once the ball is snapped, the clock runs, you can spike the ball. What am I not seeing here? Other than another bad call by the refs?

I had not considered that angle. From that perspective, I think the rule doesn’t clearly state the of the clock before the snap. Here is an excerpt from the rule posted earlier:

“Item 3. Stopping Clock. A player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time if, immediately upon receiving the snap, he begins a continuous throwing motion and throws the ball directly into the ground.”

I assume the refs think it doesn’t make sense to burn a down by spiking it when the clock wasn’t running before the snap. Rulesmakers didn’t think to state the status of the clock before the snap. Nevertheless, despite some bad calls against us, the refs actually did us a favor by stopping the clock, we just didn’t take advantage of it. It’s on the staff and Winston. Both need to be aware of the clock, down and distance.